Tue 10 May 2011
An Unfortunate Debate: A Recap of Esther Baxter vs. Joe Budden
Posted by Miss Info under About Miss Info , Beef , Not Good For Humanity , Quotes , Sigh[19] Comments
(Joe Budden and Esther Baxter during happier times.)
In the interest of allowing Joe Budden’s ex-girlfriend Esther Baxter her right to respond, here is her response to the allegations made in Joe’s confessional song “Ordinary Love S–t Part 3” last week…. Along with Joe’s phone call with Funkmaster Flex last night.
Along with the audio, we’ve also provided a recap of their points.
(after the jump)
The elephant in the room (which Joe touches on in his audio) is the fact that Bossip also posted, along with the interview and photos of Esther’s alleged bruises, some very graphic photo evidence of her miscarriage. While injury allegations might be bolstered by photos, the claim of a miscarriage has not been disputed by Joe nor Esther. So there is no purpose for those photos beyond shock value. I think the overall absence of fact-checking on celebrity blogs is generally the most problematic trend. But in terms of a specific post, this is a disturbing development. I addressed this on the Celebrity Drama Report (audio at bottom of page).
If you are trying to “pick a side” here, the difficulty is this: 1) Joe alleges infidelity on his song. 2) Esther alleges domestic violence in her interview and initiated police intervention. She claims the incident caused a miscarriage. 3) Joe alleges he did not hit her and that the police report only reflected her story and was later dropped. 4) Esther tweeted that Bossip posted photos of her miscarriage without her permission. 5) Bossip tweeted that Esther asked them to post the photos (*that tweet has since been deleted). 6) Joe believes the photos could only have come from Esther.
(*perhaps an email chain showing Esther’s request would answer those questions.)
Esther Baxter’s interview with Bossip:
-she hasn’t listened to Joe’s song, just heard the aftermath of it
-wasn’t aware he had a history of abuse until they were living together
-says she never cheated on Joe [in reference to Joe’s claim that she had an affair with NFL player Derrick Ward].
-blames her second miscarriage on a physical argument. She says she criticized his interactions with women on Twitter—and he ended up choking her and throwing her on the floor on her stomach. She called the police then went to hospital, and found out she lost her unborn daughter.
-she dropped all charges against him to avoid it going public, but the song ruined that so she now wants everyone to know the truth
-they aren’t together now, ever since it got physical and she lost daughter
-she isn’t pregnant and hasn’t been since the miscarriage
-a doctor diagnosed him, but she thinks he has serious issues and needs help
-her lesson learned is to dig more into a person’s past for preventable issues
-that was the first and last time he abused her, she never saw it coming
-advice to women in same situation is just to get out
-thinks he has no regret or shows no remorse
-she was embarrassed and traumatized by his releasing his song to the public
Joe Budden’s interview with Funk Flex:
Part 1:
Part 2:
-Joe says all his music plays out like one long confessional, always public because his relationships are—and that this process is therapeutic for him
-tried to keep it quiet because she was, and it was destroying him. “you can’t just let a mutt be a mutt and not let anybody know that a mutt is a mutt”
-he says she’s continuously lying, she even lied saying she didn’t give Bossip the controversial photos of her and her miscarriage
-Joe claims he never hit her and wouldn’t do such a thing
-he says if it were true, why would she then come back to him?
-the song came 3 weeks after it happened
-Joe says he caught Esther in a lie by talking with Derrick on Twitter
-after 5 years with [former girlfriend Tahiry] and their break-up, this is really easy to go through—but his relationship with Esther was great when it was great and he did love her
-calls her an opportunist
-realized she was cheating when she had a lot of excuses as to why she couldn’t Skype him when out of town, he called the hotel and they never heard of her
-doesn’t care it’s public because he has nothing to hide
-she texted him those photos, he called them nonsense and said they’re altered
-claims if he hurt her she’d be in the ER, it’d be more than make-up on her stomach and neck
-feels bad for Chris Brown because he really went through it, so he apologized for mocking him on Twitter
-hasn’t talked to Derrick in person, just on Twitter once he heard the song and realized Esther’s lies
-says women who date rapper should be aware they can rap about you
-thinks the worst part is the photos: “I thought it was tasteless to put those pictures out there, those fetus pictures she put out there, I thought that was really tasteless.”
-says the court documents are misconstrued because they’re just her words from when she went to the precinct
-she held hands with him in court to drop those charges
Celebrity Drama Report, 9pm, May 9, 2011:
Related:
Joe Budden Says He Spoke To “The Other Man,” NFL Player Derrick Ward
Joe Budden Blasts His Former Girlfriend On “Ordinary Love Sh*t Part. 3 (Closure)”
May 10th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Its a no win situation basically, neither person seems to be acting mature enough to let the situation go and move on. Jor shouldve put that song out and she didnt have to put thos pics out there…those pics really got me looking at here like are you serious??..Joe is a emo dude and she had to know that, this all seems to be something that shouldve been left alone. One big Maury show with budden as the protagonist, I hope this doesnt affect slaughterhouse..smh..just battle Canibus/Arsonal and leave the other stuff for the talk shows…this has nothin to do with rap…
May 10th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
So now we have heard both sides you know everybody is gonna jump on somebody’s team. Like the saying goes THE TRUTH usually lies somewhere in the middle. I do have a feeling that Joe was physically abusive & might have been the reason for the miscarriage. I don’t wanna speak to the validity of the photos but the fact they are out there in the 1st place is FOUL AS HELL!!! The whole situation is sad really. F THE RAP ISH… these are 2 human beings who had to deal with the loss of an unborn child. The fact their private biz is being debated in public now is the real crime.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
I don’t understand this guy. He repeatedly dates bottom of the barrel industry chicks for net props (?) and then humiliates and embarrasses them publicly once the show is over. These antics are what’s stalling his career. Why won’t his friends tell him this? He’s never going to be more than some washed bump never-been rapper if he doesn’t start conducting himself like a man.
All of this is too much. It’s like people have no buffer or decency. Esther and Joe need real friends and a therapy.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Something tells me if he did all that she said he did then he would be in jail right now.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Its obvious that niggaz still hurting and may be over compensating using his talents. Females can do some real dirty shit and have a nigga hot but u can’t really bang em out so you gotta process it differently and what’s left over u gotta take that shit on the chin and step forward one day at a time. It hurts cause you hate a muthaf#cka and love em at the same time. Those feelings fluctuates and sometimes your behaviors follow suit. My advice big homie is fuck that whole situation and keep it moving. Don’t make no more songs or nothing. Let that shit do what it do and eventually it wont hurt no more. Face the pain but don’t act out on the shit. I can’t front that’s a bad bitch but those usually are the one’s that are the most fucked up. Go pull u a regular hood ghetto princess. Somebody u fucked with before the fame that knows what it is. “DMX VOICE” I’m telling you dog, bitches will fuck your whole shit up! 1Luv
May 10th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
So….. he whooped your ass, you lost your child and you HOLD HANDS with this nigga in court while dropping charges you filed against him? YOU BUGGIN!
And how da hell you know the sex of your baby at 3 months? wth! technology stepping upppp! *MAJOR side eye*
But seriously, this is sad and SMFH all together. THEY BOTH NEED HELP!!
I didnt see the pics of the fetus, who would wanna see that? Bossip stooped to an all time low with that one!
SMH..when being in a relationship with insecure people on twitter goes wrong..SMH
This should also be filed under “bad for hip hop” Miss Info.
…Now that last video I saw of Tahiry is finally making sense. Dang!
May 10th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
yo miss info got this down to a science lol I think shed make a great therapist for Joe buddens lol
May 10th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
agreed lol
May 10th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
Omg who cares about this? Let them be.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
I LIKE THIS COMMENT YOU MUST BE FROM THE HOOD HE SAID MESS WITH SOMEONE YOU KNEW BEFORE THE PAPER
I POUR SOME OUT FOR MY GHETTO PRINCESS
May 10th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
http://www.killerhiphop.com/joe-budden-ordinary-love-shit-part-3-lyrics/
Joe said on his song that he never hit her, he was “restraining” her. She says he sat on her. She said he grabbed her by the ankles and pulled her off the bed, Joe confirms that in his song above.
What Joe doesn’t seem to realize is that no matter what happens, a grown man isn’t supposed to be pulling a woman off of a bed, sitting on her or anything physical of that nature. You walk out the door and that’s it. *Especially* if the woman is pregnant…what kind of psycho pulls a pregnant woman off a bed? That’s just indefensible, I don’t care what you’re arguing about. I don’t care if she held his hand afterward. As a man, he never should have been putting his hands on his girlfriend, *especially* if she was pregnant.
This isn’t a debatable issue.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
side note: Rapping about your ex is type immature. This is like a third of Joe’s post-Def Jam catalog, rapping about his exes. I guess it’s what his fans want – like Em fans want Kim songs, but I think it’s lame and uncreative. All the greats in hip-hop *didn’t* do this, even Big barely spoke about the Faith situation on wax. SMH.
May 10th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
this nigga love being in a cat fight,,
May 10th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Jesus,,, Publicity Stunts are getting complex
I don’t know what is more believable,, That she hasn’t listened to the song,,,or, That she is unaware of Joe’s history,, or that she gave them the pic’s but thought they wouldn’t use em.
May 10th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
c/s both of your comments, my only caveat being that with Em/Kim, the majority of the songs were actually creative. i would take the absurdity of ‘Kim’ over the boring predictability of ‘ordinary love shit’ any day. one is insane and offensive in a hair-raising manner. the other is one of those stories you wish somebody you didn’t like had kept to themselves.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:54 am
Thank you Minya for posting this. I’ve always admired your ability to report on difficult issues diplomatically. Although I love Angela Yee dearly I was a bit horrified at the way she completely ignored the issue of domestic violence when Joe Budden called into Breakfast Club. I just hope she wasn’t fully aware of the situation.
What makes me sick is that Joe Budden is obviously an abuser, making excuses, and basically flaunting it! He said in a song about Tahiry “I hit you like a man,” then went on to say that he “mushed her out.” This time he abused EB, then claimed he just “hemmed her up.” His excuse “why would she come back to me if I hit her?” is irrelevant, women in the abusive cycle often go back to their abusive partners (see: Rihanna & Chris Brown’s brief reconciliation).
I just can’t listen to Joe Budden anymore without feeling sick to my stomach. He always meets some woman, immediately moves her in with him, and then uses the relationship as fodder for his constant Twitter presence and music. EB dropping the charges against him is clearly another symptom of the cycle of abuse.
I know Joe Budden doesn’t drink or do drugs but I have a feeling he’s a “dry drunk” aka someone who doesn’t use but doesn’t go to AA or NA to deal with their problems. ie, a raging alcoholic/drug addict who simply isn’t using. I would feel bad for him but I just hate him and find him disgusting right now.
May 11th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
LEMME GUESS ANOTHER NON COMMENT FROM MISS INFO CUZ THIS IS ANOTHER OF THOSE FRIEND TO THE STATION ASS NIGGAZ. tHEY WONT COMMENT ON HIM, BUT LET THIS BE SOME NAS KELIS SHIT AND EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE AN OPIONION..
May 12th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
I have to agree on this, after listening to the radio snippet where Bossip is just condemned for using shock tactics to get traffic. Gee…we can all agree on that, but why are women in radio *not* condemning Joe Budden for hitting women? This is the 2nd time now that Miss Info has sidestepped the issue, she didn’t say anything about his song where he admitted hitting Tahiry. I don’t know if it’s because JB is a friend of the station, if it’s a legal issue, or if there’s some other reason why people aren’t condemning him for his patterns of domestic violence, but I’m disappointed and even a bit disturbed by it. Just goes to show how sexist the industry is.
February 4th, 2012 at 7:09 am
You r right. U don’t touch a pregnant woman at least for the child