Mon 24 Nov 2008
President Bush pardons* John Forte on his way out of office
Posted by Miss Info under Crime , Hmmm? , Life Beyond Rap , Old Music , Quotes , Videos[55] Comments
(wow, talk about a moment in time. Canibus, DMX, John Forte, Big Pun, Mic Geronimo [obscured] and Mos Def***)
The Washington Post reports:
“A Grammy Award-winning rapper and music producer originally sentenced to 14 years in prison for smuggling cocaine is one of 16 people receiving pardons or reduced sentences from President Bush.
John Edward Forte of North Brunswick, N.J., a graduate of the elite Phillips Exeter Academy prep school who later became a producer for the rap group The Fugees and released two albums on his own, was caught in 2000 at Newark International Airport with two briefcases filled with $1.4 million worth of liquid cocaine, according to court documents.
Forte, 33, a first-time offender, was convicted of possessing the 31 pounds of cocaine with intent to distribute and was sentenced to a minimum of 14 years at Fort Dix, N.J. (Forte’s Web site)
With the commutation*, Forte will be released Dec. 22, after serving just over seven years. He still faces five years of supervised probation.”
(I’ve never been a fan of how instrinsic to Forte’s story was that dang Phillips Exeter alumni subtext. )
I guess Carly Simon was still advocating on Forte’s behalf even 7 years later? Wow. Too bad the old gang is all in a disarray. I talking to Forte back in the day, he was a clever guy. What a crazy road its been.
Here’s an old Rolling Stone interview from jail.
***the 7-part vintage video interview after the jump
This is crazy…props to Shades of Hip Hop if they’re the ones who originally taped this.
I’m dying to know where this dinner was held. I remember there was a caribbean spot near the Flatiron district, near to the XXL offices….reminds me of that spot. Or like Wells in Harlem or something.
November 24th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
thats a good look right there, finally Bush does something right. all he need to do now is to get Wyclef house out of foreclosure and help Ron Isley out and help dame dash with his finances. when forte gets out on 12/22 they should put t.i in prison, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jb3HXTCVIA
I know a rat when I see one
November 24th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
i love rare footage like this.
November 24th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
I can’t tell if X is laughing at Canibus in these videos.
November 24th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Holy shit. I remember that interview and especially the case. John Forte was on TV doing an interview about Ebonics and the importance of Blacks and Latinos being able to communicate in both the corporate world and the world of the street years ago and then time goes by and he got arrested.
Carly Simon and her daughter have both never faltered in their defense of John Forte. Last I heard of him was a verse on a Princess Superstar LP and some verse on an obscure underground Hip Hop compilation a while back.
*Checks Discogs*
One.
November 24th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
I’m with you Miss Info on the clear intent of the addition of Phillips Exeter in the story. How could someone so “well”-educated make such a stupid move? is the question that they are asking. Blech. I hate that crap.
Related unrelated sidebar: Forte and I are actual alumni of the same program that picks out students of color from NYC public schools and trains them for private school. Prep for Prep. John Forte is something akin to a legend among Prep folks.
November 24th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
“Hopin’ that the prez treat that ass a lil kinder”
November 24th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Help Dame Dash? LMAO.
Was he in jail before 9/11? Damn that’s a long ass time.
November 24th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Forte! Score 1 for Bush
Hopefully he owns a copy of “Godfather Buried Alive”
November 24th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
werd….book smarts doesnt really mean much unless you’re….trying to be a teacher.
November 24th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
@miss info: Yep, I agree; book smarts for the most part are useless but can be useful for complete social withdrawal, of which I’m semi-guilty of. It kind of takes the edge off….LIFE. (I’m trying to sound slightly facetious but I can’t wholly because I’m in the middle of my P(layer) H(ater’s) D(egree). It would be too much cognitive dissonance.)
Do you think Forte’s commutation will bring the Fugees back together? I’m not sure if I want to hear what Pras sounds like nowadays. As for Lauryn, well…yeah.
November 24th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
First and foremost I’m not a Bush fan, yet I don’t see how pardoning a person, that was convicted by a jury of his peers for moving that amount of weight as something POSITIVE that Bush did for black folks. I don’t know Forte personally so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he’s a decent dude that made a big mistake, but I’ve been arrested for moving product and was ready to take responsibility for actions. If he was due to do 14 years that’s what he should have done. I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m hating but I can rattle of a list of more POSITIVE things Bush could/can do for minorities other then cutting a convicted drug trafficker’s time in half.
November 24th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Being a broke guy that got scholarships through “book smarts” i’m not too sure that it’s useless. Strong word
November 24th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
REALLY…YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR OWN SHOW MISS INFO…YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND FIRST HAND ACCOUNTS ON HIP HOP HISTORY IS CRAZY
YOU SHOULD HAVE A “INSIDE THE ACTORS STUDIO” TYPE SHOW…BUT ONLY ON CABLE SO PEOPLE CAN CURSE!! LOL
November 24th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Yeaa John Forte reppin north brunswick!! We go hard.
November 25th, 2008 at 12:39 am
When will our brothers ever LEARN. I hope this brother hasn’t turned fruitcake on us. You know what they say about black men when they been in jail for too long.
November 25th, 2008 at 12:45 am
^SH
I’m at Milton Academy right now through Prep for Prep, and people still talk about John Forte.. He is most definitely still a legend. Prep actually disowned him as an alumni when he decided to do music instead of continuing with college.. I know because I got the same warning from Prep when I considered alternate plans for the future..
About the book-smarts thing, its overrated. Especially in the elite education world, people think it promises you a certain lifestyle, or more specifically, it entitles you to a certain future, and its a HUGE slap in the face when things don’t work out the way all your teachers/peers/parents promised it would..
words of a jaded prep school minority senior lol
November 25th, 2008 at 12:46 am
wow I remember that interview on ABC right either prime time live or 20/20, wow that was years ago
I did manage to see the name on the pardon list on yahoo and it looked familiar but I wasn’t sure
the liberal blogger just made it sound like Bush free’d a Cocaine dealer
@Corporate takeover
HA HA
I can’t believe no one acknowledged that lyric
No Forte fans ?
I guess I’m the only Poly Sci owner (tear)
lol
November 25th, 2008 at 1:54 am
who said george bush doesnt care about black people??? lol
November 25th, 2008 at 1:58 am
and props for the youtube vids!!
November 25th, 2008 at 2:00 am
@ Miss Info – some random shit: since you’re a food head, just thought you’d appreciate this pictorial of Corean BBQ- YUM!
http://www.thehundreds.com/wordpress/?p=7925
November 25th, 2008 at 2:03 am
lmaoo that first vid is like mos def vs everyone
November 25th, 2008 at 2:41 am
what was his explanation for the liquid cocaine?
damn NIGGA…. that’s why when your flying and your in airports don’t hold or pick-up any luggage that you did not personally pack.
November 25th, 2008 at 2:50 am
damn x was the most gifted!!
November 25th, 2008 at 2:54 am
wait hold up..maybe pun was
November 25th, 2008 at 2:59 am
wait no hold up..that canibus ryme was crazy i forgot about that
November 25th, 2008 at 4:19 am
heyy info u seen da ti and shorty lo fight last nite??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y2jCQqhG04
November 25th, 2008 at 4:26 am
WOOOOOOOOOW. dude was actually nice on da mic. wats next 4 him? mabey lauren hill come bac out. RAH DIGGA…WATS POPPN BABY
November 25th, 2008 at 5:21 am
or http://vimeo.com/2340000
November 25th, 2008 at 5:22 am
Those were the days, clue TAPES and real MCs…X looked like he was laughing at Canibus….it was alot gems dropped during that interview…Mos def had the most tho… like the one about having a EGO isnt always good Easing(S.P)GOD Out… Compared to everybody else mos made out the best…X=crack, pun=gone, can-i-bus=99% of his fans dont exist, Forte=missed more then half a decade, Mic gerinmo=still mad at the world ….and as far as forte gettting a pardon great…. BUT you mean to tell me Tookie couldnt just spend the rest of his life in jail?…
“Fuck that Pot of Gold Shit. IMA grown ass man and if I dont Like something Im gonna tell you”
November 25th, 2008 at 5:53 am
Holy shit.
November 25th, 2008 at 10:09 am
That’s “intrinsic”. Also very true, Info.
November 25th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
hmm, true. but requires some life smarts to balance and to become adjusted
November 25th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
very interesting. yeah I had the same concerns.
November 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
@Tone: I think if you rely on book smarts to get you to a certain good place but also in turn, you don’t know NOT to be pushing ridiculous amounts of white in an airport, it has reached a threshold of uselessness. I don’t think anyone would outright reject the importance of book smarts. Well, at least, I wouldn’t.
Forte’s album was PRETTY good. Anyone remember it?
November 25th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Hey Missinfo did you see or hearabout the fights that popped off wit TI and Shawty Lo’s camps at the Dirty Awards peep:
http://vimeo.com/2340000
This is apparently the 2nd fight of that night but this one supposedly left Shorty Lo’s brother K.O’d…
THE
LABEL
WHORES
November 25th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
@miss info: That Exeter point may have been a good one after all. Here’s what I just read. Carly Simon and James Taylor’s kid, Ben, went to school with Forte.
Well, this is all according to the WORST paper ever.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11252008/news/regionalnews/dubya_frees_rapper_140651.htm
November 25th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Forte’s album was PRETTY good. Anyone remember it?
===========================
A boo boo burger.
November 25th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
….something I said?
November 25th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Damn, I don’t support the war on drugs, but I’m also not crazy about special privilege in any situation. I wonder how all the other dudes doing caveman time for less weight than that feel about it?
November 25th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Oh shit I just tried to watch that and can’t even stand to listen to those pseudo-intellectual “jewels” or them slurping each other. I swear to god 99% of rappers should just shut the fuck up unless they’re rapping. The only rapper consistently dropping science is Tony Yayo!!!
November 25th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Whoa… late with this one. Extra long “Ehhhhhhhhhhh” for Miss Info’s comment about book smarts being irrelevant unless your pursuing a career in education. Uh… What? What? I can only assume that being involved so deeply with hip-hop, you’ve had the painful experience of attempting rationale conversations with many uneducated people and know what it’s like!? Not to say education and social intelligence/good decisions/reasonable behavior, etc. are mutually exclusive, but damn. Knowledge of the world and beyond informs everything you say and do. The ability to contextualize is crucial, and the lack of it is the source of many of the world’s greater ills, IMO. And after all of that, let’s not forget that outside of a precious few careers, educated people (whether or not you assign any other importance to “book smarts”) are waaaayyyyy higher up on the pay scale.
November 25th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Word?!!! You could get pardoned for shifting weight? I’m about to step up my international grizzy and make some real money. I’m just b%ll$hitting.
John Forte didn’t make smart choices back then. He should have focused on music and made serious money coz 7yrs for 1.4 million is $200K a year had he sold the weight. When your around people like Fugees $200K a year is light, excluding the Wyclef repo news. Buck made over 8Mill on G-Unit in a short period of time Forte could have done better.
@Edwin am not with none of that “so and so did this and that for black folks”. John Forte’s actions do not reflect on me as a black man. He commited the crime and was covicted as an individual not on behalf of the black race.If Bush pardoned him because he’s black then F@CK BUSH!!!
November 25th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
ok to further clarify….lets not even say book smarts lets say academic credentials.
November 25th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
LOL….exactly how I feel when I see some ivy league students debating pop culture, lol.
November 25th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
huh?
November 25th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
ok george……….i see you kid.
November 26th, 2008 at 3:02 am
bush just surprised me. and not in a bad way for once.
November 27th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
I knew John back when we were 13. I was in the same group (Contingent) of Prep 9 as he was. I am just SO excited about the news! Whether he went to Exeter or not, he is human. We ALL make mistakes. A 14 yr sentence is pretty steep when there are people who get 5 to 8 for murder. I wish him NOTHING but the best. I know he has learned a lot and truly may God bless him and his family.
November 28th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
mos def got mad knowledge.
November 28th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
that footage is hot too, pun stole it hands down.I always thought that canibus’ verse was garbage.I prefer LL on the come back.
November 28th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Ok so Ms. Info I have a problem with you even suggesting that academic credentials/book smarts is worthless. I do agree that a balance is necessary but growing up in the hood, growing up with some of the worst of the worst, I know that education is A WAY OUT! No one wants to be street, or hood or live in the hood. And to be precise my book smarts get me alot more on the streets than my street smarts. I personally get nothing but love and respect for having attained my degree and that comes from people with only street smarts wishing they did what I did. And to me that means something.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:49 am
john forte album was garbage.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
QUESTION?
Isn’t it customary for one to be parolled after serving 50% of his/her sentence?
Would the benefit for John Forte be that when one is pardoned…It’s better than haveing your record “sealed and destroyed” because it makes it as though “crime” never happened as far as trying to get work, etc. or even better…. if in the future, charges were to be brought against one who has received a pardon in the past……would/could it be brought up in court? (Like they bring shit up that was either expunged,sealed,or destroyed)
December 7th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
OBAMA SHOULD PARDON OJ IF IT’S GOING DOWN LIKE THAT
January 4th, 2009 at 5:39 am
john is from bk, he went to jhs with me. A gifted and talented school out here in bk. and i think carlys daughter went to school with him at exeter. he was a gifted violinist from what ive been seeing on the throwback photos on facebook.
no matter what happened in that airport, i hope he can put his life together again and rebuild. Im sure the music industry will welcome him back with open arms.