Fri 17 Jun 2011
The Tupac Quad Studio Confession: Are You Sure You Know Who Shot Pac?
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(Tupac in a car with a man is believed to be Haitian Jack Agnant, the former friend that Pac accused on the song “Against All Odds” of being involved in the Quad Studio shooting.)
We all saw the headlines:
“Inmate Confesses to Shooting Tupac Shakur in 1994”
So are you sure you know who shot Tupac at Quad Studios?
Well if you read the same prison confession that I read yesterday….then the answer is:
No…
It was the kite read ’round the world. Seventeen years after Tupac Shakur was shot in the lobby of Manhattan’s Quad Studios, a man named Dexter Isaac released an explosive statement to Allhiphop. The site ran both a detailed story as well as a jpeg of a typed letter, in which Isaac accused controversial music exec Jimmy “Henchman” Rosemond of paying him to participate in a 1994 robbery of Tupac Shakur, which left the rising rap star with 5 bullet wounds. Three men were said to have attacked Pac. He survived the shooting, only to be killed in Las Vegas two years later.
Isaacs, who is currently serving a life sentence in The Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, said he wanted to come clean because he was upset Henchman had accused him of cooperating with a drug investigation.
Here’s an excerpt of Dexter Isaac’s letter (full version after the jump):
Jimmy…I have kept your secrets for years… How dare you call me an informant!…
Mr. Rosemond, if I was an informant like you, I would’ve been home for years ago with my family, not doing life in prison.
Now I would like to clear up a few things, because the statute of limitations is over, and no one can be charged, and I’m just plain tired of listening to your lies.
In 1994, James Rosemond hired me to rob 2Pac Shakur at the Quad Studio. He gave me $2,500 plus all the jewelery I took, except for a ring he wanted for himself… He said he wanted to put the stone in a new setting for his girlfriend at the time, Cynthia Ried [sic]. I still have as proof the chain that we took that night in the robbery…
Isaacs then goes on to hint that he knows details of Tupac and Biggie’s murders. And even throws Diddy into the mix (“Jimmy, you and Puffy like to come off all innocent-like but as the saying goes. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.”).
But no where on Isaac’s letter, or in Allhiphop’s companion story does this prisoner ever confess to shooting Tupac. Not once. But most of the early coverage skewed it that way…
Time Magazine: “Inmate Confesses To Shooting Tupac Shakur in 1994”
MTV News: “…an imprisoned man has admitted to shooting the late rapper/actor during a robbery at Manhattan’s Quad Studios in November 1994.”
Gawker: “Some Guy: I Shot Tupac”
NYDailyNews: “I shot Tupac Shakur in 1994 robbery on orders of rap manager, claims convicted murderer Dexter Isaac”
The absolute best (and by best, I mean worst) abuse of reading comprehension came from the Huffington Post. They sent a tweet headline that read:
“@HuffPostEnt: SHOCKING: Inmate admits to shooting, killing Tupac Shakur ”
Wow, forget the confession, the real bombshell is that Pac was a zombie from ’94 to 96. (Thankfully, they’ve since fixed that ridiculous error.) (Update 3: New favorite worst headline: “I Shot Tupac Kapur…“)
If Dexter Isaac really did admit to shooting Tupac, then he also signed himself up for an attempted murder charge to go along with his current life sentence…
More on this, photos and video…
After the jump
Obviously the main point is that this guy Dexter is saying he did a bad thing. But he specifically mentions that he can’t be prosecuted for it “because the statute of limitations is over, and no one can be charged.” Again, that reinforces that he’s not admitting to the shooting. As Eskay pointed out to me: “in NY state there is no statute of limitations on Class A felonies, which the shooting would be classified as (either attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon).”
So by misrepresenting this guy’s revenge “confession”…media outlets are getting this guy a brand new charge. Add it to the life sentence he already has? (*Update: checking this list of NY statutes, it only lists “murder” as exempt from the statute of limitations. Would attempt murder still qualify? Or would it expire in 5 yrs?*) (Update 2: According to page 31 of this list of NY statutes, all class A felonies are exempt from the statute of limitations. And attempted murder is still a Class A felony.)
Alhiphop’s original headline read “Exclusive: Jimmy Henchman Associate Admits to Shooting Tupac; Apologizes To Pac & B.I.G.’s Mothers“….
But later on, they amended the headline to “Exclusive: Jimmy Henchman Associate Admits to Role in Robbery/Shooting of Tupac; Apologizes To Pac & B.I.G.’s Mothers.”
Few others made the same correction.
Allhiphop’s exclusive was huge, and they’ve also been very diligent in posting the ongoing Jimmy Henchman saga.
But in reading over the Dexter Isaac companion story, I had to ask whether this guy admitted to the shooting to Allhiphop writers during correspondence that was not used in the actual piece. A source told me that yes, there was conversation in addition to the formal letter. Also, Isaac purposely never said he shot Pac, but did take responsibility for being part of the attack, along with 2 other men. One of whom must be the real shooter.
NOTE: At the end of the Allhiphop piece, two other men are named as Dexter Isaac’s “longtime” fellow suspects in the Quad Studio attack: “Spencer “Scooter” Bowens, who is also serving a life sentence and another man named George Roland Campbell.” I didn’t have much luck finding any references to them as longtime suspects. I also consulted veteran Vibe writer Carter Harris (who covered Tupac and Biggie during the period before their deaths) as well a former Jimmy Henchman employee. The suspects that circulated the most after Pac’s shooting were Walter “King Tut” Johnson, Haitian Jack, and Henchman. So is this another new detail from Isaac?
UPDATE:
-Since the news broke yesterday, the NYPD is now saying that they will be investigating Dexter Isaac’s confession. I wonder if they’ll see fit to open an attempted murder case?
-Meanwhile, Jimmy Henchman’s lawyer is calling the accusations “a flat out lie…Dexter Isaac is not claiming this 17 years later to clear his conscience. He’s doing it because he’s told anybody who will listen he doesn’t want to die in prison. He has kids and wants to work off his sentence. He can’t be trusted.” Henchman is still on the run.
UPDATE 2:
TheSmokingGun says that they spoke to Dexter Isaac before the Allhiphop piece, but refused to answer questions about his “debriefings with federal investigators.” TSG also reports:
“In explaining his decision to cooperate with the government, Isaac explained, “I’m not gonna spend the rest of my life in prison,” according to one TSG source. Isaac’s [beef with Jimmy Henchman] apparently stems from his belief that the music manager has not sufficiently aided him or his family while he has been incarcerated.”
The scariest part of the TSG post is the detailed description of how Isaac got his life sentence: hired by a woman to murder of her Egyptian cabdriver husband in exchange for a house note.
Vintage Vibe Magazine video in which Tupac discusses the Quad Studio shooting, his mistrust of the music industry people who were there when it happened, and his soured relationship with Biggie.
Tags: MTV Shows
Jimmy Henchman insists to MTV News in 2010 that he did not have anything to do with Tupac’s shooting, and speaks on that insane LA Times/Chuck Phillips Biggie and Tupac story scandal.
Related:
The Chuck Phillips Fiasco: When you lie with dogs, you get…..forged FBI documents from a hip hop compulsive liar
Welcome Back to the Suck: More loose allegations from the LA Times about Big and Pac
Jeezy tells Vibe: “Pac and Big gone…I’m already ahead of the game” (UPDATED: What Jeezy really said)
Video: Tupac “The Lost Interview pt.2” w/ Vibe.com
Full Transcript of Dexter Isaacs’ statement to Allhiphop:
My name is Dexter Isaac. On Monday, May 23, 2011, James Rosemond released a statement in which he named myself and another individual, a Mr. Winston Harris (who I do not know) as government informants. I would like to clear the record on that statement. I have never been a rat for anybody and I do not have any deals nor was I made any promises by any government agency for information on Mr. Rosemond.
Mr. Rosemond has crucified good reporters like Chuck Phillips at the LA Times, and Alison Gendar at the Daily News for telling the truth about him and his activities. He claims they had no proof that he was a rat for the government, which is an outright lie, because Mr. Rosemond, you signed a proffer agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s office in NY no 10-20-1998. Mr. Rosemond, I have copies of your presentence report from North Carolina dated 1-13-1997 and other documents about you working with the government sending people you befriended to prison so you can maintain your own freedom. I have met with individuals on whom Mr. Rosemond has told.
Jimmy, I say to you: I have kept your secrets for years. You have never been arrested because ofme or anyone of our friends because of me. How dare you call me an informant! I have stayed silent in prison for the past 13 years, doing a life sentence like a real soldier should, when you and everybody have turned your backs on me. I have never gotten any help nor asked for any help from you or anyone since being locked up.
As a matter of fact, when I was first notified a couple years ago that the feds and Chuck Phillips were investigating you, I wrote you and sent you everything they sent me. I kept it real with you because that’s what real G’s do. Anyway, that was before I found out that you were, in fact, already a turncoat rat for the government. Mr. Rosemond, if I was an informant like you, I would’ve been home for years ago with my family, not doing life in prison.
Now I would like to clear up a few things, because the statute of limitations is over, and no one can be charged, and I’m just plain tired of listening to your lies.
In 1994, James Rosemond hired me to rob 2Pac Shakur at the Quad Studio. He gave me $2,500 plus all the jewelery I took, except for a ring he wanted for himself. It was the biggest of the two diamond rings that we took. He said he wanted to put the stone in a new setting for his girlfriend at the time, Cynthia Ried [sic]. I still have as proof the chain that we took that night in the robbery.
Now I’m not going to talk about my friend Biggie’s death or 2Pac’s death, but I would like to give their mothers some closure. It’s about time that someone did, and I will do so at a different time. Jimmy, you and Puffy like to come off all innocent-like but as the saying goes. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.
Mr. Rosemond, I ask you: Are you going to flip on Puffy when the feds get you? To save yourself like you have done in the past? Because that’s what a rat does. So in closing, we shall see who the rat is, in the near future.
If anyone has any questions regarding these statements or just want to be a friend to a real Soldier fighting for his freedom in prison feel free to write to me at:
Dexter Isaac #49733-053
MDC Brooklyn
PO Box 329002
Brooklyn, NY 11232
June 16th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Doesn’t look like we’ll get to the bottom of this story anytime soon. Just more allegations and sensationalism. By the way, the lack of journalistic integrity is alarming but not surprising, sadly.
June 16th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Funny I just thinking to myself, “Damn I miss Info’s daily postings on the site.” Then this story drops and you swoop in the drop Journalistic Protocol and Quality New Reporting 101.
I wish everyone would let these men rest in peace but that may be far too much to ask.
June 16th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
we all know JimmY Rosemond had everything to do with that shooting regardless of who the shooter was..All this in-depth reporting about who the shooter really was doesnt matter…Henchmen was behind it regardless!! So a pat on your back for tryna find who really was the shooter…
June 16th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
“In 1994, James Rosemond hired me to rob 2Pac Shakur at the Quad Studio. He gave me $2,500 plus all the jewelery I took”
He shot 2pac is the robbery…. Duh Miss Info
June 16th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
I agree on him not actually admitting to the shooting personally but I also understand whAt he means by “statute of limitations” based on mr rosemonds betrayal and not so much Nys law indications. Now I get that rosemonds lawyer might feel compelled to say issac is a liar he wants to work his time off etc how couldn’t he on behalf of rosemond who is still on the run allegedly but this thing doesnt affect issac if he’s already come to terms with the fact that he’s never getting out. Now the story would progress should the two other assailants come forward in aggrement or defense against issacs statements which I’m positive won’t happen you miss info didn’t necessarily find any tuing about them. Prodigy also gives an account that kinda lends a hand to issacs story I’m just glad it’s moving away from PAC sayin biggie and company did it I’d like to belive that over pace original accusation unless the story doubles back to puff and rosemond agreeing on this God Forbid
June 16th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
he said a few things that didn’t sit well with me. “doing a life sentence like a real soldier should” as well as “just want to be a friend to a real soldier” hmm bruh sounds suspect.
June 16th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
The lack of journalistic integrity is no surprise when it comes to the lamestream media in regards to rap music. No matter the heights hip-hop has seen and the doors broken down, “they” still treat it with 2nd rate coverage. This is part of the reason the murders of 2Pac and Biggie’s murders have never been solved. With enough pressure from the media, especially in regards to Biggie who I feel the leads on the killer(s) have been rock solid, these cases could be closed. If it was Justin Timberlake in that beamer, we’d have our killer within hours.
Solid summary of the story and reporting of the FACTS Inf, this is the best I’ve seen so far.
June 16th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
I agree….those were very odd.
June 16th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
im sorry, but that didn’t make any sense.
June 16th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
UMMMM WHY IS MISS INFO SO OBSESSED WITH WHETHER HE GETS ANOTHER CHARGE OR NOT? IT DOESNT MATTER IF HE ALREADY HAS A LIFE SENTENCE.. MOST PRISONERS THAT HAVE LIFE SENTENCES KILL OTHER INMATES IN JAIL ALL THE TIME..BECAUSE IT DOESNT MATTER
June 16th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
Yeah, because you’re trying to be a smart ass. Obvious typo on the “is”
The poster is saying the guy who wrote that letter was hired to rob 2pac and he says he did. In this robbery, 2pac was shot. So, he’s basically admitting to shooting 2pac because he was the one who robbed 2pac. What part of that do you not understand??? He committed the robbery so he committed the shooting.
June 16th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
You say in your little article that he doesn’t say he shot him, there’s the explication.
June 16th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Whether he shot pac or not he obviously admitted to conspiracy and likely to get charged with everyone else (because the likelihood of assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder was foreseeable)..
Additionally, he says he has the chain so he took clearly took part and will be charged with everyone else.
June 16th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
The reason he is admitting to his role is because he clearly wasnt the shooter and cannot be charged with attempted murder. He simply robbed Pac while the actual shooter who would be facing charges and not covered under the statute of limitations isnt being named. Isaacs story can very well be the truth..
June 16th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
You guys seem to be having trouble differentiating between “I was hired to rob Tupac” and “I shot Tupac”.
Name should be Readers Block.
June 16th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
I say put everyone on a lie detector test, the letter guy, henchman, puffy, suge, errryone and any suspected involved! If they got nothing to hide, they will oblige.
The hiphop fandom, the people, need to pressure these guys to participate in such a thing.
Get hot97 to host it, get MTV to host it, get maury, get freakin katie couric on her new show to host it..
get these guys plugged in and see who gets nervous under the wire when asked about pac.
someone step up
June 16th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
@info i like the way u sat back for a day to digest and break it down, instead of speeding with false info like other sites
June 16th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Its sad that a man who was so special and did soo much for soo many people no matter how annoying he could be in spots, was so hated to the point where people wanted to murder him…
I will never understand this world.. Dont think I want to..
R.I.P Pac!
June 16th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
No matter what happened in ‘1994’ today Tupac Shakur still has an existing family that laid him to rest and doesnt want to have to relive this shit all over again,
A dead mans name is so easily thrown out as a pawn for attention, leverage and wut a bargaining chip!! at times we gotta learn to tune shit out.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Do your homework on him his street name is “Hatian Jack” his jacket does certify that he was a stick up kid. I don’t know wether to believe his confession though, sounds like him and jimmy had a fall out and hes been waiting for jimmy to fall in a loop hole. Either way word on the street in the 90’s was that the Hatian boys did run up on Pac that day.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Its clear what happened. Pac was supposed to die that night to make sure he could implicate any one else in the sexual assault case. He got out of jail and joined Suge Knight for protection from Henchman and recorded “Against all odds.”
When Pac put out “Against All Odds” that’s when Henchman began to plot Pac’s murder. Henchman knew Pac was gonna be in Vegas for the fight and the guy that Suge and Pac beat was following him to confirm they were in Vegas.
He was gonna die that night with or without the fight. No way you can set someone up and get away the way they did within a few hours after getting jumped. And not being familiar with Vegas.
They took their time, taking either weeks or months to plan the his murder.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
“He gave me $2,500 plus all the jewelery I took”
deductive reasoning ….
Happy Bday Pac!!!
June 16th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
well seeing as how the guy got $30k in a house note to murder a complete stranger (a woman hired him to kill her husband), then it seems fair to say that $2500 would only get you a robbery for hire.
how gross is this man’s life? It totally creeps me out that my tax dollars are paying for guys like that to eat meatloaf and watch tv all day.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Haitian.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
thank you very much. I know that my way isn’t really most productive way of blogging. Most folks just want to spew out as much as possible every second. But I really stayed up all night and asked some people I respect for their opinion, and then re-read the whole thing and tried to figure out what didn’t make sense etc.
I know it’s corny but I really wanna thank anyone who took the extra time to actually read all this s–t on this post. I know it’s long and confusing.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
I say…..Dexter Isaacs, show us the jewelry.
June 17th, 2011 at 12:27 am
You guys gotta start paying attention..Great job Miss Info,happy someone can think independently..
There are several problems here.First of all,why would a guy,serving life be concerned about Statute Of limitations?You have LIFE?Second,he was called a rat because he lied on Jimmy Henchmen saying he was the founder,and tthat he funded it.You fund an entertainment company,then take 2500$ to rob someone?Are u the big man or the soldier?As far as rats,your TELLING now then aren’t you?Also,how would you have information on Biggie and Tupac’s murder when you were IN JAIL at the time?Let’s not overlook another tell tale.You praised Chuck Phillips,the Former Pullitzer prize winner that got fired from the LA Times,and has been exposed for coercing the Daily News to print another slander campaign..C’mon son,Chuck got to you..And how are you “fighting for your Freedom” if your taking that life sentence like a “Real G”..Sounds like your trying to come home.Do inmates serve the full life in Brooklyn?Or are you there giving minutes pimp?I’m just sayin
June 17th, 2011 at 12:34 am
according to a new and very interesting story on smokinggun, Isaac was moved to BK from a down south prison because allegedly he’s working with the feds on their case against Jimmy. So he clearly has an agenda, and even though he is serving life, he seems to think he can work out a reduction to his term. I guess if that’s the case then he would be concerned about the statute of limitation. But you make alot of good points.
June 17th, 2011 at 1:04 am
Thanks lol the sad part is I’m actually Dominican and cant spell Haitian to save my life lol I can tell this report really struck home with you. I Love the fact you interact with your readers by the way
June 17th, 2011 at 1:32 am
do ur homework on him this not haitian jack fool
June 17th, 2011 at 1:38 am
I’m Just glad the truth is coming out on you Brooklyn idiots. now ya acting like ya had love for Tupac
June 17th, 2011 at 1:39 am
im gonna say this ppl in the streets at that time knows what happened with pac situation with jimmy,puffy,haitain jack,and tut pac and even with the bitch he went to jail for wasnt suppose to get shot that night but shit happens if more does come from this ppl gonna see pac wasnt talkin shit about bad boy for no reason ppl gonna see how much dirt and greasy shit puff was into
June 17th, 2011 at 3:43 am
Why would this guy lie? He has to know that the FEDs would thoroughly checkout his story before they would offer him any type of deal. Which I’m sure he knows they won’t offer anyway.
Not for him and not for information on Tupac, he’d have to come up with a lot more bodies than that. Tupac and Biggie’s cases aren’t that big of a deal to the FEDs.
June 17th, 2011 at 4:21 am
Yeah… I know what you mean. But his family, mother especially, will want answers I’m sure. Unless she actually does know who was responsible for the Quad Studio shooting and is keeping that to herself. Me personally, I really want to know who was responsible for this incident but only when all the facts have been gathered and a PROPER journalist has exhausted all possibilities.
June 17th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Showing us the jewels is not going to mean too much. Even if the shines are verified as Pac’s (which will take a considerable amount of time to prove). That jewelry has probably been passed around the streets of Brooklyn like how Yung Berg’s transformer piece went on a national tour. I say…get a real investigative in-depth interview from Dexter Isaacs.
June 17th, 2011 at 9:32 am
If you look at the book Snitch by Ethan Brown, he points out in several instances that Spencer “Scooter” Bowens was Dexter Isaac were long suspected of robbing/shooting Tupac at Quad.
That book was published 4 years ago.
June 17th, 2011 at 9:39 am
I doubt that son thinks he can get any time shaved off of his sentence. However, since the Feds transferred him from Colorado to Brooklyn M.D.C. It is a better bid for him in regards to seeing his peoples more frequently on visitation. So there is clearly an agenda. Still, son did not go public until Jimmy put him on blast 1st. So, i kinda believe his story. I just want to hear what he has to say about Puff
June 17th, 2011 at 9:42 am
nah its not corny…that’s the plus of a blog site with and actual writer.
ppl get confused and think that they are writers because they have a pen or a pencil and keyboard but when u read a real writer it stands out
June 17th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Shout to Miss Info, reading comprehension is very important. We are dealing with semantics here.
1) Jimmy Henchmen says he had nothing to do with Tupac getting shot. Which I think to be true. However, he did have something to do with the robbery
2) In Vibe magazine, Henchmen clearly states that the night of the robbery/shooting at Quad, Tupac was being disciplined and that he was not supposed to get shot or robbed from Henchmen’s account. “Nobody came to rob you, they came to discipline you, that’s what happened!” from Vibe 2005.
Although I do think Pac wasn’t supposed to get shot, (According to whose story you believe, most of his gunshot wounds were self inflicted), but I don’t think it was a simple case of discipline either. Bottom line, Henchmen knew about the situation. According to him, it went differently than originally planned. But he’s on record indicating he had prior knowledge of it.
June 17th, 2011 at 10:16 am
wait….what? “Bowens was Dexter Isaac were long suspected” What does that mean?
June 17th, 2011 at 10:38 am
all i gotta say is long as they stop letting drug loards in to hiphop an acting like its cute or cool and they need to let real biz men into the game that went to college an also letting real rappers with talent insted of nabor hood drug dealers that skare djs an pay em for record spins and force the real rappers out hiphop would be way less fucked up,pac and big died cause of that shit,ppl watch it on you tube like its cute its not its like hiphop is letting murders into hip hop an no body says shit,i kno it happends in other places but ny hip hop biz is a bunch of shady ass mother fuckers
June 17th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Thx for the detailed investigative report info. Wish other outlets provided the same due-diligence. Side note, anyone ever why Pac always were one diamond stud on the right ear?
June 17th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Watching the Sway/ henchmen int. I was reminded of Damon Wayans Convict from “in living color” lol
June 17th, 2011 at 11:26 am
this guys trying do get indicted in a rico case with henchman as part of the wide conspiracy of crime threwout the 90tys till present and he will flip and get a 5k letter which will get him a sentence reduction happens with the mob guys all the time in new york, and the judge can over ride the life sentence with the 5k letter laws to, cause he’s helping the government. thats why he claiming he robbed pac for jimmy, a predicate act in a rico case.
June 17th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Son u sound real stupid Idk if u but gangster have been in the music industry long before hip hop was invented who think put frank sinatra on who do u think was behind sylvia robinson gangsters and drug dealers aint the problem is the bitch ass clean niggas bitch made rappers that try to be what these guys r tryin to get away from so the gangster didn’t fuck hip hop up cause without the drug dealers there would be no hip hop ask russell who was payin for the shows in the 80s ask rakim who paid for his dapper dan gucci suits don’t knock what u don’t understand
June 17th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Meant to say Spencer “Scooter” Bowen’s and Dexter Issac were long suspected of robbing and shooting Tupac.
Google Scooter Bowens and an excerpt from Ethan Brown’s Snitch book will appear. It states that he and Dexter Isaac were suspected of robbing and shooting Pac.
June 17th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Thats from 2007
June 17th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
nah homie hip hop started beat boxing in hall ways break danceing on streets, an freestyleing on corners,i dont give a fuck about rakims gucci suit niga,fuck your drugs i wanna hear hip hop.give a fuck about rakims gucci suit,when i put on head phones i cant hear drugs i hear music,music came before drugs,look at all the labels with shady ass dudes running it ppl getting shot ,all fucked up hell outta here homie see dif between me an you i listen to music u listen to what ppl do on the streets,an as of 2011 gangstaz are played out with all these terriost running around that whole scareface act is played,zoommm
June 17th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
I’m Haitian, as well as a Agnant. There is only one *Haitian Agnant family in or from Haiti. My uncle, Jacques had his issues with Tupac but those only came about when Pac who befriended my uncle, turned against him and forgot who gave him his safe pass in NY. Facts will show that Jacques had long money and a whole bunch of street cred but one thing they failed to mention was his transitioning to the business side of things. He could of gotten Pac touched any day but tried to take him to court for defamation of character instead. Back in those days, there wasn’t anything Jacques could rob from Pac that he didn’t already have or own. If anything, Pac was the one on the come up so to hear people try so hard to slander my uncle’s name is absurd and needs to end. Can He Live…
East Brooklyn & Abroad #International
June 17th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Everyone knows Puffy’s a scum bag who let it happen. Big too. They weren’t big time in the streets and thus were under pressure to keep their mouths shut. Big spent the rest of his life trying to live it down, fronting in interviews and shit. Puff still is.
June 17th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
@ The Monk… That has the be one of the foolish comments I’ve read in weeks. Tap in dude. Dexter Issac is not my uncle “Haitian Jack Jacques Agnant”
June 17th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
@Writers Block & @Gupta.. you guys are both idiots. 2 + 2 ≠ 5.
I’m thinking he never actually admitted to the shooting because he could still be tried and convicted for attempted murder. Seems like he’s only copping to the robbery because maybe the statute of limitations passed for THAT crime? Then again, this is me talking outta my ass cause I don’t know if robbery has a statute of limitation. Also, if an attempted murder occurs during a robbery aren’t all the parties involved held responsible? He would at least be charged with accessory to attempted murder.. or accessory after the fact…. right?
Just my opinion…
*shrugs*
Interesting discussion tho.. just seems like it’s gonna go on forever. Thanks Info for the ACTUAL reporting!!!!!
June 17th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
I want the truth to come out.. I want dude to produce the chain, I want to see him back up his story.. I want to see who all had something to do with it and more importantly, WHY!
This doesnt bring Pac back or add any closure to his fans but I think knowing the truth will allow his many fans to make peace with the past and start moving forward… Because believe it or not alot of fans were and still are effected by Pac’s death!
Rosmond is a loser toy gangsta who thinks its gully to kill people he dont like! I wish they toss his cartoon ass under the fucking jail…
June 17th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Normally Id tap into the haitian vs Dominican thing and give your “uncles” real history but I wont get that deep.This is about Pac. You and I know whats going on don’t act like your uncle was this big mob figure that ran the east coast when we know his history on the island. Hes a RAT AND DEX A RAT TOO bottom line! and before he was that he was shining boots. so Ima tell you like a good fella. go get your shoe shine box.
June 17th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
oh yea an u said try to be like who?? wat are u talking bout?? you dont have to be poor or hustle or live in the ghetto to rap, a lot of famous rappers did hustle an grow up poor but thats sumthing not to brag bout or say you have to go threw it,i grew up real fucked up,but u kno wat ill put on drake an its like sumone that havent been threw something can still make u feel good,its like crazy way your talking like wtff??yea hip hop started in ny yea hip hop started buy ppl with not that much but that doesnt mean sumone the op of that can do it also,no i dont wanna see your sneaker collection, no i dont wanna se u pose in front of a car no one can afford, no i dont wanna hear bout your tired same old i hustle flow, i wanna hear good music ,ive met ppl from muslim countrys wer theirs wars going on every day on their street million times worse than brooklen my dude an some of them are trying to do good shit an trying to get away from it, you just sound stupid,peace
June 17th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
The finding of continued COINTELPRO-type activities adds weight to evidence that Shakur’s associate Jacques Agnant (a/k/a Ricardo Brown, a/k/a Nigel) was an undercover agent who infiltrated his life and contributed to his legal problems. In 1993, after befriending Shakur, Agnant introduced Shakur to Ayanna Jackson the night she had consensual sex with the singer, first on a dance floor and then in his hotel room.25 In a second visit to Shakur’s hotel room several days later, set up again by Agnant, Jackson charged Shakur, Agnant, and two others with sexual assault.
Events around the trial point to Agnant’s government connections. Agnant’s trial lawyer, Paul Brenner, had represented the Policemen’s Benevolent Association for many years.26 In addition, Agnant’s case was severed from that of the other defendants without protest from the prosecutors. And, after Shakur’s trial, Agnant’s felony indictment was dismissed, and he simply pleaded guilty to two misdemeanors.27
Shakur was convicted of three of the nine charges, relating only to non-consensual touching of Jackson’s buttocks (typically reported only as “sexual abuse”), and sentenced to one-and-a-half to four-and-a-half years, an extremely harsh sentence.28 (In 1994, New York City police admitted “accidentally erasing” a tape Shakur and companions had of Jackson that supported Shakur’s defense. His lawyer, Michael Warren, successfully argued that the police also planted guns in the hotel suite where the supposed assault occurred.29
Jacques Agnant was also connected to Shakur’s near-fatal mugging in late November 1994. Toward the end of Shakur’s sexual assault trial, Agnant was seen several times secretly following Shakur.30 Several days later, “Booker,” a man Agnant had introduced to Shakur, paged the singer and asked him come to a studio in Times Square to record with a new rapper. Booker called Shakur insistently that night, lied to him about who would be there, and offered $7,000 cash from his pocket to get Shakur to the building. When Shakur arrived with three companions, two men held him at gunpoint in the lobby and stripped him of his gold jewelry, although they left his diamond-encrusted Rolex, which Agnant had bought for him. Then they shot him in the groin and twice in the head, while he was face-down on the floor.31
Some suspicious aspects of the event were noted by editors of the Amsterdam News.32 Shakur and a companion both said they saw a police car outside the lobby doors on Broadway, immediately after the assailants fled, guns in hand. The New York Police reported this as a random mugging, yet the assailants picked an extremely well-lit Times Square area for a robbery.
In what the Washington Post described as “one of the many strange twists in the case,”33 three of the same cops who first appeared a year earlier at Tupac’s hotel in the sexual assault arrest were the first to arrive at this near-fatal “mugging.”34 And at least one has been identified as a member of New York’s now infamous Street Crime Unit.
June 17th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
i find it funny that only the NY bloggers/writers are in super denial that Pac was right..they just wanna belive the whole “he was crazy and deeeraanged” *martin lawrence voice* theory
June 17th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
this man is confessing, i dont know what info’s relationship is with jimmy henchmen, maybe she dont want to throw him under the bus, but either way, i am confused by this piece. she almost goes out of her way to discredit what everyone (including Pac) knows is true, JIMMY HENCHMEN was behind the 1994 shooting
he may not have said the words “I SHOT TUPAC” but he was very clear about saying Jimmy set Pac up to be robbed, Pac got shot during the robbery, either way we have clarity who was behind it all.
June 17th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
son u missed what im saying there were always that rapper drug dealer connection from the start of hip hop thats not the problem the problem is the rappers that never lived that life that wanna be kingpins and gangsters that talk that shit on record and name drop street dudes that why ppl get shot and drama starts and i never said u have to be poor and from the ghetto to rap say why u bring that up if u dont wanna hear drug rap listen to someone like drake who by the way is on a label that was started with money from the streets meat head again its the rappers that wanna be drug dealers that fuck hip hop suge knight went to college both parents worked for the city but he got in the game tryin to be a bully like he had status on the street and now hes exposed so what im sayin is dudes that get into hip hop with drug money aint doing to be cool they doing it to get out the street its the bitch made rap niggas that start the disrespect and that start shit thedifference between me and u is i know whats real and what really goes on in and out of the streets cause i been in both worlds i never need to listen to rappers about what i lived some rappers tell the real and some tell fantasy so dog if u aint never been in the street and dont understand the street dont speak on the streets keep listening to drake
June 17th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
*sigh*
I absolutely do not have any agenda to clear Henchman’s name. And I’m sorry you were confused. I don’t think I can help you with that though. Also, “what everyone (including pac) knows is true…” is hilarious to me.
June 17th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
i used rakim gucci as an example cause a drug dealer brought it for him and that album is hip hop history it had alot of impact on hip hop and he never bragged bout what he had and who he ran with he respected the rules i guess u dont know who sylvia robinson hip hop started in the streets and would still be in the streets cause none of them niggas had money hip hop was something that was for real ppl to express themselve and show who they r but now is filled with characters like wwf thats what wrong with the music bunch of fake niggas doing the samething tryin to get a hit i guess real gangsters played out i guess fake is in cause the same ppl that say that r the same ppl the love rick ross and lil wayne oh yeah they make good music and its just entertainment right fuckin clown
June 17th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
are you referring to this “ny blogger/writer”? Because at no time do I make any reference to Pac being right or wrong about anything. It’s ironic to spend a day writing about mistakes in reading comprehension….only to have your readers, see things that aren’t there.
June 17th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
dog stop it u dont know shit bout what u speaking on this dude dexter is not haitian jack and jack maybe a fucking grease ball but he had alot more money and power then some of ur favorite rappers
June 17th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
@Trae Hundred Millions
stop trying to disconnect your “uncle” hatian jack from the robbery he was there and apart of it and he was working with police. and if you want more evidence i will pull up his doc info so the world can see how bogus it is.
June 17th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
too bad he was an informant working with police. All of them are telling on each other and the irony of this story is Jimmy henchmen is the only one i couldn’t find doc numbers on. And for those in disbelief court records are open to the public go through the 97 papers . They all rats and now they telling on henchmen
June 17th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Henchmen has already admitted to having Tupac disciplined. That’s a fact.
Now if others carried out that discipline too far may or may not be Henchmen’s fault.
Bottom line is Pac was running his mouth and his big homies at the time DP’d (disciplined) him.
I’m from the west and can see that.
June 17th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
you’re correct this idiot doesn’t know what hes talking about, hes obviously infatuated with the “gangster” persona no matter where it comes from. But to validate your point hip hop did start in the south Bronx as graffiti break dancing and Dj’s playing in local parks.
June 17th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
any one read prodigy’s book ? he says that e-money bags told him that jimmy was the one who set it up , and that pac KNEW and still started the badboy beef for record sales …so r the cops gonna talk to informant p next ?
June 17th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Where is haitian jack now by the way.
i heard he was living in DR.
Haitian jack was tied to so many street niggas in brooklyn the whole ny throughout the late 80s and 90s
June 17th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
pull it up
Jacques was a street nigga but he also was a rat. Thats why hes in DR now
June 17th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
wait isnt that haitian jack in that picture with pac
June 18th, 2011 at 1:42 am
you dont have to hustle or be a gangsta to kno bout the streets ,and your so worryed bout whats going on in the streets,u can grow up in freaking peter pans dream would an kno wats going on in the streets,lol like wtff u sound so dumb lol i kno bout the streets when i was younger i grew up around the streets then we moved i do kno bout the streets, but point that i was trying to make it you dont have to sell drugs or be a gangsta to kno bout the streets or kno bout hip hip,and if u think that thats crazy, knoing about hip hop music and knowing about being a gangsta on the streets are to dif things,yea theirs rappers that act like gangstaz,an its dumb,but point im trying to make is you dont need to be a gangsta to run a hip hop label,knowing bout the streets an being a gangsta is 2 dif things,and knowing how to run a label that sells records is another thing,you got things twisted
June 18th, 2011 at 1:42 am
SMH @ “The Monk”… Everything you read on google isn’t factual. Another thing, I’m not going to entertain you brah I’m telling it like it is. “bk718” knows what he’s talking about cause he’s obviously from Brooklyn but you on the other hand are clueless and wouldn’t last a day in Brooklyn cause the only place a loud mouth gets you around here is 6 feet deep.
June 18th, 2011 at 1:51 am
@ The Monk & Honestly… Only thing i believe out that whole article is the part where Jacques bought Pac a gold rolex. We still got 1990
s paper. I tell yall and imma tell yall again, if Jacques wanted Pac dead, it would’ve happened in NY. And whoever trying to undermind the man, remember he was bigger than rappers, kicked it with Madonna, he used to fly my grandmother out in LA and that’s how she once met Madonna. We here… Yall Never There… So We Here For Yall!
June 18th, 2011 at 1:55 am
#Believe That *Birdman voice*
June 18th, 2011 at 2:00 am
Haitian Jack Back… Haitian Jack Back… That’s All These Bitches Screaming That… Haitian Jack Back…!
June 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am
@jae i feel what u sayin and im not sayin u have to be a gangster to run a label what i was sayin u cant take gangster out of music cause they have always been in music and hip hop needed that money from the streets in the early days or none of that good music would have been heard where i disagree with u is when u say get the street ppl out of hip hop which is wrong cause the music comes from the streets when i say streets i dont mean gangsters and dealers i mean ppl that cant afford instruments and vocal lessons and thats is what wrong with hip hop now the powers that be r making it seem like if u r considered street ur music wont sell but if its good music ppl can relate to it would but with all this street is dead shit now hip hop is sounding more like pop
June 18th, 2011 at 10:39 am
yeah fam i was coming up in bk when this shit was going down niggas my pops is from harlem he use to fuck with dudes in eny i grow up in the stuy and crown heights so i know how niggas was moving like i said jack had more money and power the ppl favorite rappers from ny to ppl that talk that snitch shit bout him i say this to them try haitian jack
June 18th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
point i was trying to make is , too have sumone that knows bout the streets to run a label is cool but to have a shady ass drug dealer run a label is fucked up and messed up things will happen look at all the labels ran by shady ass dudes messed up things happen, now if u take sumone from the streets thats knows bout hip hop but thats not into that shady shit and that knows how to run a company than its all good, and ppl from the streets allways and been getting sign to major labels,but its changeing a lil u might se sum new rappers here and their that dident go threw as much getting sign but at same time u dont have to grow up poor to make music , play sports act or ect ..ppl dont feel sorry for ppor ppl as much kno more,u want sumthing u gotta get it and if you want wat other ppl have eat pop tarts bubble gum and naked eye brows…
June 18th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
@ Trae Hundred millions
I don’t care who he was with or not he was on a government salary. He was a confidential informant working with the government dude use your common sense you think its coincidence he had a seperate trail during the rape charges ? and his lawyer defending him was Paul Brenner, who had represented the Policemen’s Benevolent Association and helped him have charges dropped to misdemeanor in aggrement to give up information and future information. you think its by pure luck hes not in jail? GET REAL
You can sit back and think what you want im going by whats in ink he cooperated with the prosecution during the trail and arranged the night tupac got shot through an associate and fyi this article comes directly from the new york times.I know hes a family member but if youre still in denial you can go through the trail transcripts yourself and embrace reality, go through the court documents http://www.courts.state.ny.us/
June 18th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
ok this is wat im trying to say, u take a dude like suge knight let him run a label knowing how he is rite??? look at all the crazy shit that happen and so on take a sec an look at all the labels ran by shady dudes, rappers getting shot set up madness, now take a another guy from the streets that knows bout hip hop but is not shady an worked hard to get out the streets an go to college an learned how to run a label take that niga and have him run a label not the nigas over their the nigaz over their will fuck the game up as it all ready happen,look at all the beefs and crazy shit,yea a lot of mother fuckers ran labels that wer knows in the streets that hustled but at the end they fell hard ,so that dude from the strrets that been around but hats not shady an went to college let him run a label not “king pen ken that niga will have hes freaking label raided , rappers shot before they even freaking take off as a label,so thas why i say get the shady ass dudes out the game and hip hop will be hip hop again
June 18th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
And just to connect all this to miss info article Dexter is testifying against jimmy henchmen soon which is why he’s just been charged with a murder.
But lets face reality “hatian jack” was a rat that turned not only states witness but a confidential informant with the NYPD. So it turns out PAC wasn’t this crazy person they portrayed him to be. he was telling the truth
June 18th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
@ Belize… Go crawl up under the biggest rock you could find. No one’s in position to say whether Pac was right or wrong. The only thing that’s wrong is what happened to him both in NY & LA. Miss info you the truth!
East Brooklyn & Abroad # International
June 18th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
@ bk718 I fucks with you boy. Takes a real Bk/Ny native to understand how heavy niggas are/were. One thing is for sure though, Jacques is well and set for life, he broke his fam off and I don’t even have to tell yall WHERE was the last time I saw him LOL. @ The Monk, you say you got records but haven’t showed any, I mean c’mon son *ed lover face*. Pac was a rapper, jacques IS a real nigga, I’m not even going to glorify the shit my uncle has done in the past but you’ve got to be honest with yourself, you talking snitching over sexual charges, niggas beat M charges, weapons possessions charges, WHO THE FUCK WAS PAC FOR NIGGAS TO WORK WITH THE FEDS AND GET HIM LOCKED. LOL AND IT AIN’T EVEN LIKE HE GOT LIFE. You keep bringing up the fact that he had a lawyer who worked such and such case, was the lawyer supposed to not work ever until Jacques caught a case? #FOH
East Brooklyn & Abroad
June 18th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
The same person you glorify is the same one i despise and redicule. I dont care what his street cred says I will never sympathize with a rat.
Your in love with an “image” not the actual person or the facts surrounding the tupac incident. Thats what happens when the truth is told , People go into a rebuttal of “he was a gangster he had this much money” Not only is that disgusting but you don’t even have Facts to back up ANY of your claims, besides he-say. So keep on with your “street dreams” and brooklyn “war stories” about a man that is in paperwork cooperating with police and disclosing D.A of inormation about Tupac shakur both during the rape allegations and after the fact.Im done educating idiots infatuated with street personas. The court documents speak for themselves.
-monk out
June 18th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
your defense is “he had more money and power than peoples fav rappers” ?
go trolly along with that other idiot skipping to the same tune. Thank god for paperwork!
June 18th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Im not wasting up any more space on you. Its clear your a fanatic of a snitch and are in denial(even to the point where he forgets the discussion was about Tupac) lol!, hey wish you all the best on your journey defending, and preserving his name.lol *and I would insert a famous celebrity mannerism or expression here but Im not a CORNBALL* LOL
anyway im done with it, but for anyone that is interested public records of him are available at http://www.courts.state.ny.us/
June 18th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
“Monk’d out” Son you finished, a lost case. The robbery itself had nothing to do with Haitian Jack. Neither am I involving Jimmy Henchman but in all fairness, he’s the one Dexter Isaac points his fingers at. Did my uncle feel betrayed when Pac started to badmouth him in public, maybe so, but to go as far as calling the man a snitch is far fetched. You’re an outsider looking from outside in, bird’s eye view, clearly a die hard Tupac fan who would blame anything and anyone for what happened to him when this specific event didn’t even cause his death. If you want to speak facts then show us the paperwork, show us a Haitian Jack statement on paper and by the time you find out that you’re looking for is something you’ll never find, you’ll probably grow a set of balls. Sounds to me like you know way too much about talking to the feds, you need to come to peace with your inner self before you try to convince us someone we’ve witnessed take over a city as big as NYC was a snitch. What type of dude allegedly snitches on someone then sues this same person for defamation of character for calling him a “snitch” on a song. You don’t get it dude, Haitian Jacques wasn’t a rapper neither was he trying to be, he was a street nigga and all he had was his Rep. Shit I even feel stupid for doing this back and forth shit with you, guess you bring it out of me. We Here… You Never There… So We Here For You…
East Brooklyn & Abroad
#International
Gov’t Body!
June 18th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
Monk post docks. It don’t make since for tupac to call out such big time gangsters on his record just for fun if there was no smoke there – I could see other rappers and execs for sales but average person outside new York street scene these people names meant nothing to.
June 18th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Make more sense Feds and local law enforcement have been unable and unwilling to charge any co-conspirators to 1994 shooting or 96′ and 97′ murders if paper trail of most or all of key players all were CI’s really would at best show huge impropriety and perhaps culpability to both deaths at best and perhaps show pattern of puppetering all the violence and death that ensued from their involvement.
June 18th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Heres the court documentation of “haitian jack” and the court aknowleding him as an informant and counter-suit of trying to sue “interscope” records almost laughable. After this I guess youll say the paperwork doesnt prove anything huh? guess you and your uncle relate ya both cop pleas lol
ESQ., WILLIAM A. ZOLLA, ESQ., Fischbein Badillo Wagner Harding, New York, N.Y.
For Interscope Records, Interscope Pearl Music, Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corp., Defendants: CHARLES B. ORTNER, ESQ., MICHAEL T. MERVIS, ESQ., JARED L. GURFEIN, ESQ., Paul, Hastings, Janofsky & Walker LLP, New York, N.Y.
For Death Row Records, Suge Publishing, Defendants: STEPHEN F. HUFF, ESQ., TOM J. FERBER, ESQ., Pryor Cashman Sherman & Flynn, New York, N.Y.
JUDGES: Michael B. Mukasey, U.S. District Judge.
OPINION BY: Michael B. Mukasey
OPINION: [*421] OPINION AND ORDER
MICHAEL B. MUKASEY, U.S.D.J.,
This libel case, initially filed in Supreme Court, New York County, and removed here pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §§ 1332, 1441 (1994), arises from statements allegedly made about plaintiff, Jacques Agnant, in a rap song written and performed by the late Tupac Shakur. Plaintiff sues the Estate of Tupac Shakur (the “Shakur Estate”), Interscope Records, Interscope Pearl Music, Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corp., [**2] Death Row Records, Inc. and Suge Publishing (collectively, the “Record Company defendants”), as well as other companies and individuals allegedly involved in the production of the song. The Record Company defendants move for judgment on the pleadings or, in the alternative, summary judgment. The Shakur Estate moves for summary judgment. For the reasons stated below, defendants’ motions for summary [*422] judgment are granted, and the complaint is dismissed as to these defendants.
I.
The following relevant facts are viewed in the light most favorable to plaintiff. n1 Prior to his murder in September 1996, Tupac Shakur was a well-known and successful rap music artist. (Compl. P 3; Gurfein Decl. Ex. C) n2 In late 1993, Shakur, plaintiff and a third man were arrested and indicted for sexually assaulting a woman in a New York City hotel. (Gurfein Decl. Ex. C, at 1) Thereafter, the charges against plaintiff were severed from those against Shakur, whose case went to trial in late 1994 and resulted in a conviction. (Compl. P 16; Gurfein Decl. Ex. C, at 3, 6) Several months later, plaintiff pleaded guilty to lesser charges, for which he was sentenced to three years’ probation and fined $ 1000. (Agnant [**3] Dep. at 15-16) n3
June 18th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Here is the hatian jack documentation
DISPOSITION: [**1] Defendants’ motions for summary judgment granted and complaint dismissed as to these defendants.
CASE SUMMARY
PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Plaintiff, an alleged informant, claimed libel by defendant record producers through a rap song, the case having been removed from the Supreme Court of New York County (New York), to the district court. Defendants filed a motion for judgment on the pleadings or, in the alternative, summary judgment. Plaintiff alleged that the lyrics referred to him as working as an undercover federal informant against defendant rap artist.
OVERVIEW: Plaintiff, an alleged informant, claimed that a rap song by defendant record producers falsely accused him of working as an undercover federal informant and that, as a result, he suffered damage to his reputation and endangerment. However, the court asserted that, even accepting that the statements at issue were false and caused plaintiff injury, the claim must be rejected, because to be libelous under New York law, a false statement must hold plaintiff up to ridicule or scorn in the minds of right-thinking persons, but those who would think ill of one who legitimately cooperated with law enforcement officials were not such persons. The court found that granting a pro tanto motion for leave to amend the complaint would prejudice defendants and be futile, because plaintiff did not plead and could not prove the requisite injury. The court found that no reasonable jury could interpret the disputed lyrics as urged by plaintiff without knowing a lot of background. Because the allegedly defamatory statements were not libelous per se, plaintiff was required to plead and prove special damages, but he did not. The court granted summary judgment.
OUTCOME: The court granted defendant record producers’ motions for summary judgment, and the complaint was dismissed as to these defendants, because plaintiff’s libel claim could not be libelous under New York law, and amendment would be futile.
CORE TERMS: summary judgment, libel, defamatory, informant, lyrics, special damages, reputation, matter of law, nigger, defamation, rap, odds, accusation, deposition, libelous, falsely, song, accuse, plead, album, slander, defamatory meaning, law enforcement, anti-social, declaration, pretrial, realist, lying, shit, shot
COUNSEL: For Plaintiff: PAUL S. BRENNER, ESQ., New York, N.Y.
For Estate of Tupac Shakur, Defendant: KENNETH G. SCHWARZ,
June 18th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
DISPOSITION: [**1] Defendants’ motions for summary judgment granted and complaint dismissed as to these defendants.
CASE SUMMARY
PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Plaintiff, an alleged informant, claimed libel by defendant record producers through a rap song, the case having been removed from the Supreme Court of New York County (New York), to the district court. Defendants filed a motion for judgment on the pleadings or, in the alternative, summary judgment. Plaintiff alleged that the lyrics referred to him as working as an undercover federal informant against defendant rap artist.
OVERVIEW: Plaintiff, an alleged informant, claimed that a rap song by defendant record producers falsely accused him of working as an undercover federal informant and that, as a result, he suffered damage to his reputation and endangerment. However, the court asserted that, even accepting that the statements at issue were false and caused plaintiff injury, the claim must be rejected, because to be libelous under New York law, a false statement must hold plaintiff up to ridicule or scorn in the minds of right-thinking persons, but those who would think ill of one who legitimately cooperated with law enforcement officials were not such persons. The court found that granting a pro tanto motion for leave to amend the complaint would prejudice defendants and be futile, because plaintiff did not plead and could not prove the requisite injury. The court found that no reasonable jury could interpret the disputed lyrics as urged by plaintiff without knowing a lot of background. Because the allegedly defamatory statements were not libelous per se, plaintiff was required to plead and prove special damages, but he did not. The court granted summary judgment.
OUTCOME: The court granted defendant record producers’ motions for summary judgment, and the complaint was dismissed as to these defendants, because plaintiff’s libel claim could not be libelous under New York law, and amendment would be futile.
CORE TERMS: summary judgment, libel, defamatory, informant, lyrics, special damages, reputation, matter of law, nigger, defamation, rap, odds, accusation, deposition, libelous, falsely, song, accuse, plead, album, slander, defamatory meaning, law enforcement, anti-social, declaration, pretrial, realist, lying, shit, shot
COUNSEL: For Plaintiff: PAUL S. BRENNER, ESQ., New York, N.Y.
For Estate of Tupac Shakur, Defendant: KENNETH G. SCHWARZ,
June 18th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Your uncle was so gangster he “sued” tupac . lol! I like how the judge said “shortly after he was charged the {plantiff} severed ties with the artist”
June 18th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Here is the plantiff “hatian Jack” acknowledging that he will accept the court ruling because they wanted to further investigate if he was working with the govt as an “informant. where he then “backed out” the second attempt as he knew they would focus on these “snitch” allegations.
too much info to post but he basically sued pac the judge rejected it cause no “emotional or character damage” then he opt no objection after the judge requesting a background check with govt agencies into the “informant” allegations.
(Id.) In addition, plaintiff acknowledged at his deposition that the accusation he was an informant was “basically the heart” of his position in this case. (Agnant Dep. at 87) Finally, in a letter to defendants’ counsel dated December 11, 1997 — only eight days before the Record Company defendants served their present motion — plaintiff’s counsel discussed exclusively the allegation regarding plaintiff’s working as an informant and implicitly accepted that the case would stand or fall on whether this statement was defamatory. (See Mervis Decl. Ex. E)
June 18th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
here is why hatian jack didnt win. the court wanted to look into his informant allegations WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE HIM CLEARLY not wanting the court to expose him of the possiblity of COOPERATING WITH LAW ENFORCEMANT
Under New York law, a plaintiff who sues for libel must plead and prove special damages unless the allegedly defamatory statement falls into one of the categories of libel per se, such as allegations that plaintiff committed a crime or allegations that tend to injureplaintiff in the conduct of his trade, business or profession. See, e.g., Nunez v. A-T Fin. Info., Inc., 957 F. Supp. 438, 441 (S.D.N.Y. 1997). In the present case, plaintiff contends that the allegedly defamatory statements are libelous per se insofar as they accuse him of cooperating with law enforcement officials, shooting Shakur and reneging on his promise to secure a contract for Shakur with Hinchman Records. Such a “‘strained, unreasonable and unjustified’ interpretation,” however, cannot form the basis of an action for libel. Rappaport v. VV Publ’g Corp., 163 Misc. 2d 1, 618 N.Y.S.2d 746, 748 (Sup. Ct. N.Y. County 1994) (quoting Tracy v. Newsday, Inc.,
June 18th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
sorry about flooding your blog miss info. this my last post on this topic. I dissected the court proceedings to the best of my abilities “you be the judge” from here . some people wont believe something till you show them paperwork. “I rest my case”. once again these are public records you have the judge name and lawyers as well its impossible to post the 200 pgs. “hatian Jack” basically sued pac FAILED then when the court wanted to do an extensive background check because this would be “the heart of the case” including his criminal record and “informant allegations” he gracefully bowed out
Monk Out
June 18th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
I’m an attorney in california. I can tell you with certainty that 1) if he admitted to the robbery, then he is a co-conspirator and is liable for all actions in furtherance of the conspiracy, even if he didnt pull the trigger, so he is guilty of either attempted felony murder or assault with a deadly weapon. Most likely, he would be charged with attempted murder because shooting a gun at close range at someone would satisfy general intent, which means you know that the likely outcome is death or severe bodily injury and if thats the case 2) then he is right, attempted murder that isnt in the first degree (premeditated) is a class b felony and the statute of limitations has expired (5 years)
June 18th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
All that copy, pasting and you still couldn’t take the time to sit back and read the whole thing? “Plaintiff, an alleged informant” What was Haitian Jack taking Pac and Interscope to court for? For falsely accusing him of being an informant. So how does you posting 5,6 different pages of the same case with the first words being “Plaintiff, an alleged informant” make your case? Instead of finding “statements, made and signed by Jacques Agnant”, you go look for the case I TOLD YOU to go look into. At least you’re paying attention to what I’m telling you to do. Everyone from that era knows how much work my uncle put in, and he realized that suing Pac and the Machine also known as Interscope meant going against corporate money and just the right amount of lawyers to dig deep enough and get him convicted for anything and everything else he had going on. Is the smartest thing you could try to come up with is saying Jacques failed to successfully sue Pac by fear of them uncovering that he was a snitch? Really? Go read a book, find another hobby cause journalism sure isn’t it. We’re not talking about snitching by fear of going down in a Rico case, or a M charge, we’re talking about a 2-4 year bid, (as sick as the nature of the offense is). You failed to deliver the only thing I asked you to come through with before ever calling a man a snitch, (cause people die behind that shit), concrete evidence, statements, corroborations, so for this blog’s sake, throw your pc/mac/laptop/phone, out the window.
East Brooklyn & Abroad
#International
Gov’t Body
June 19th, 2011 at 12:19 am
@trea hundred dollars sucks dont it ? you mad ? I just wanted to make you look like the fool. your bringing up all the extra b.s which look like excuses to me.
pac puts out diss song-hatian jack sues him-court wins in favor of tupac estae-he attempts appeal only to figure out he must disclose all his criminal and background
and why did he not want the court to hear his past? maybe because the fact he snitched on pac to get probation. All these rico charges and murder charges in and corporate involvement is a figment imagination. the court documents are in black and white dude got probation get real. hes a rat that couldnt even do a 2 yr bid get real read the court documents
June 19th, 2011 at 12:19 am
the hell you talking about that trail proves hes a snitch . what you think he got his trail disconnected from tupacs because he had a “corporate” attorney? lol his attorney was a cop attorney , when the judge said they had to dig into his past to further his lawsuit he “dissapeared” . get real dude . so cause he didnt make a statement in court hes not a snitch?
you sick in the head dude. must suck your hero is a government snitch that sues
June 19th, 2011 at 12:31 am
for those interested heres asatta shakur also calling “haitian jack” a rat. This idiot is obviously butt hurt his “uncle” if we even know thats true is a rat. I respect tupac for doing his time like a man and not pointing fingers while this spineless coward running behind the police to spill beans
http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/shoulders-our-freedom-fighters/1062-takedown-tupac-shakur.html
June 19th, 2011 at 12:42 am
Haitian jack the rat lol
http://www.zimbio.com/Tupac+Shakur/articles/94_ZIN5zutf/Haitian+Jack+Nothing+More+SNITCH
June 19th, 2011 at 1:10 am
hatian jack the rat!
http://www.zimbio.com/Tupac+Shakur/articles/94_ZIN5zutf/Haitian+Jack+Nothing+More+SNITCH
June 19th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
The fact that dude was big time doesn’t disprove he was cooperator. In fact, that is usually case the ones with most comfortable lifestyle on outside the last ones that want to do time. They brainwash all the underlings on all the loyalty crap. It’s same as corporate world those at bottom do all the heavy lifting for the fat cats.
June 19th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
In fact… What wasn’t proved was the fact that he was a cooperator. I’m not doing this with you any more… @ The Monk… You’re a lame, a nobody and weren’t able to discredit someone as street powerful as my uncle. I’ll see u around some day… Maybe a club, I’ll be the guy with the bottles, you’ll be the guy buying drinks.
East Brooklyn & Abroad
#International
Gov’t Body!
June 20th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Next Headline….”TUPAC ATTACKER FOUND DEAD IN JAIL CELL”…..Jimmy Henchmen is scary. Everyone that breaks bad ends up dead. Except those bullet proof car ridin G-Unit guys.
June 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 am
YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT ACTUALLY DID ”REPORTING” AND INVESTIGATION AND THINKING ON THIS STORY! The rest did NOTHING but post what the others said! Good work …never been to your site but a fan now!
June 22nd, 2011 at 12:40 am
NO YOU CAN’T ”BASICALLY” ADMIT TO A SHOOTING … YOU EITHER ADMIT OR NOT AND SHE IS CORRECT! HE NEVER SAID ”HE” DID THE SHOOTING…HE IS SHOOTING OFF HIS MOUTH! HE IS NO BETTER THAN HENCHMEN IN FACT…WORSE BECAUSE HE DID IT FOR A FUCKING $2500 … and he said JIMMY asked him to ROB Pac …not SHOT him! THAT IS WHY HE IS IN THAT HOLE FOR LIVE AND NOW HE IS CRACKING UNDER PRESSURE AND WANTS TO BE RESPECTED. HOW YOU GOING TO RAT ON SOMEONE WHILE SAYING YOU ARE NOT A RAT!
June 22nd, 2011 at 12:42 am
thank you!
June 22nd, 2011 at 12:48 am
you are correct … he is never getting out but he is GETTING something for all the SINGING he is doing. If you would ROB a icon like Pac foR $2500 and shot him for nothing and kill a stranger for $30,000 what would you do while serving LIFE for sex once a month with a WOMEN and MEAT on Sunday? GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY WANT. He said JH was taking care of him but not as much as he thought he should have … THIS DUDE DESERVES NO RESPECT.
June 22nd, 2011 at 12:53 am
SOLDIERS DON’T SHOOT AND MURDER PEOPLE…THEY FIGHT WARS! What WAR was he in with TUPAC and this women’s husband? These dudes are PARASITES and like to TRICK the young into believing its COOL to be a PSYCHOPATHIC KILLER as long as you are paid. If DUDE was in a war it was with his OWN self hatred that he took out on EVERYONE ELSE! Soldier … DUDE IS A RAT & KILLER …NOTHING MORE.
June 22nd, 2011 at 1:04 am
WOW!
June 22nd, 2011 at 1:12 am
JIMMY put him on blast BECAUSE he knew he was working with the feds on him.
June 22nd, 2011 at 1:13 am
puff is next
June 22nd, 2011 at 1:15 am
yes it is ….ANY high profile case can make your career…this is about DRUG MONEY and taking down a brother with REAL money. CHANGE THE WORLD MONEY …BACK POLITICAL LEADERS MONEY.
June 22nd, 2011 at 10:22 am
GOOD WORK!
June 22nd, 2011 at 10:25 am
MUCH RESPECT … MONK!
June 22nd, 2011 at 5:26 pm
well, this is confusing…if you order a robbery and a murder attempt occurs during the course of said robbery, you’re still on the hook for all of it, right? by saying he can ‘offer closure’ to big and pac’s mothers, is he not implying that he knows something about/had a hand in their murders? if so, does that also not implicate jimmy and possibly puff by extension? i had always thought that murder had no statute of limitations. was i wrong about that? damn. i’ve got more questions than answers…
June 22nd, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Yes there is no statute of limitations for murder but no one died so the most they could get him for is aggravated, which has a statute of limitations of 5 years. They can’t get him for attempted murder because that is a specific intent crime, which means the defendant wanted to kill 2pac. The facts here show a botched robbery in which pac got shot as he attempted to shoot his attackers. The statute of limitations for aggravated battery is 5 years.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
The book is out on Amazon.com very interesting what he saying.
May 8th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
All Mr. Issac did was omit the part about he, himself, doing any shooting. No criminal I know ever admits to the act readily, even if there is a statute of limitations. Plus, why are we so quick to discount Mr. “Henchman” just because there maybe some probable circumstance to discredit Issac’s statements? Especially, when Jimmy “Henchmen” has such a bad rap sheet and is known for being an informant. I remember, “we,” as a society weren’t so quick to believe 2Pac when many allegations were against him, back in the 90’s.
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