Tue 17 Jul 2007
Sigh….why is the only album I care about, so hard to make?
Posted by Miss Info under Uncategorized[18] Comments

I guess I shouldnt be surprised. I’m not surprised. But Im still disappointed. The Wu-Tang reunion album outlook is looking a bit bleak. And honestly, at this point, I think its too late and too little. Maybe some things are just not meant to be. Like a Lauryn comeback. And another Biggie. And non-insane female emcee. And….a real Wu-tang reunion album.
(FYI: by real album, I mean one where all the members are willingly and enthusiatically involved……not some forced reunion where most of the members contribute a few verses via email, very begrudgingly. Meanwhile, we’re forced to endure a majority of appearances by random annoying wu-affiliates with names like Bishop Algebra or Maniacal Chemist etc.)
Is this not going to happen because the members can’t get along? Is it because they feel like they’re probably not going to get a major payday from it? Or as artists, have they just moved on from the mythology of their own body of work?
In a new article in Urb Magazine, Rza, Rae, and the rest of the Clan lay some of their disagreements right out in the open….
“If Wu-Tang is foolish enough, and it’s possible to be foolish,” RZA says with a wide-eyed look of devastating reality, “if however many members of Wu-Tang are foolish enough to fall for the bureaucracy of the industry in 2007, then they are fooling themselves and taking themselves out of the realm of heaven.”
(dope quote by the way. Rza is ill)
“If the business is not taken care of [then] there will be no album or tour,” says Raekwon’s manager, Mel Carter, via e-mail. Raekwon canceled his appearance at the Wu’s scheduled photo shoot for URB, and Bodog, 8 Diagrams’s European label, two days before the shoot was set to go down in mid May. Rock the Bells, the multimillion-dollar hip-hop bonanza, which Wu is scheduled to headline in August with Rage Against the Machine, has already sold out its run. It ain’t Wu-Tang without Raekwon’s inventive slang or infinitely quotable rhymes on “C.R.E.A.M.”
“When it comes to photos and press and all that shit, I agree with anybody in the crew that say, ‘Yo, I want my business straight before I start talking to people,’” RZA says. “I understand that. I told them that’s their prerogative.”
Carter has since told URB that the business is “all good,” but the outside influence weighs heavy in RZA’s voice. Sometimes anger carries the brunt while other times it is an audible sadness, but it’s entirely unavoidable when more numbers are added into the mix.
“That’s a problem,” says RZA. “You talk to someone like Mel Carter, who’s my buddy or whatever. He’s not a Wu-Tang member. He could never understand the importance of what Wu-Tang is. He can only see it from a business point of view. Everybody be talking about the deals. Fuck the deals. We aren’t special because of no deals; we special because when we come together, we make music that changes the world.”
Even without the dotted I’s and crossed T’s of a contract, Raekwon still came through and recorded new verses for 8 Diagrams. In fact, as of the beginning of June, everyone has come through and recorded new verses, at least three apiece, according to RZA, except Ghostface Killah.”
(If you were Ghostface Killah, would you be more concerned with doing your own thing? Would you feel hampered by the other members who may not have the same profile as you?)
“I told Ghost, ‘Yo, I’ll do this album without you, Ghost,’” says RZA. “‘I’ll do it without you, man, because it ain’t about you; it ain’t about me; it’s about Wu-Tang. It’s about what it means to the people. It ain’t about what it means to us no more.’”
(I can see what Rza is saying because there is something about creating music that is bigger than the artist making the music. But nowadays that can feel like a lost cause, I can imagine.)
“How has the South dominated hip-hop for the last four, five years without lyrics, without hip-hop culture really in their blood?” RZA asks. “Those brothers came out representing more of a stereotype of how black people are, and I think the media [would] rather see us as ignorant, crazy motherfuckers than seeing us as intelligent young men trying to rise and take care of ourselves.”
“I don’t think we’re going to achieve some of the same things that some so-called hip-hop artists do,” RZA says. “Let’s say Chris Brown— he’s considered a hip-hop artist, but he doesn’t rap, and he sells millions of records and has a real young audience. How do we compete with that? We don’t. Wu-Tang needs to aim at what’s us, what’s ours.”
(Rza also says that ODB has a 16 year old son who looks, acts, speaks just like his father. And that they may have this son do a hook on the album in honor of Dirty. Also, that Cappadonna will be on the album as an official member of the Wu. Hmm. And here’s another surprising/questionable thing about the new project….)
“Right now, as far as the freshest voice on the mic, it’s the person you least expect,” RZA says. “U-God is on fire. Now how could U-God be on fire after all these years? After all the shit that he done been through, after U-God came on the radio publicly blaming me for his life. He’s the most in-tune motherfucker right now. ..This is a nigga that hates me.”
(hmmm. Well this part is more plausible….)
“I’m making songs, nigga, songs that you can have Carnegie Hall play one day,” RZA says, also announcing that for the first time Wu-Tang will bring in big name outside producers (Marly Marl, Q-Tip, Easy Mo Bee and perhaps Dr. Dre) to add to RZA’s newly unearthed vibe.
(But this last quote definitely sums up the reality of this Wu Tang Clan reunion and all its problems….)
“It’s gonna happen. It’s gonna happen because it’s inevitable—it has to happen,” RZA says. “[But] if it’s not coming this year, it ain’t coming at all. That’s my opinion. If it doesn’t come this year, it don’t mean nothing no more.”
July 17th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
thank you miss info….
very interesting!
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July 17th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
Not to get off subject, but the south has arguably some the best lyricists in the game. Bun, Andre 3000, Face, Luda, etc…
What the f*ck is all this south hating nonsense.
Sometimes I get embarrased at some of the emcee’s from my city (Houston), but not everything is “ay bay bay” in the south.
and SURE, RZA got lyrics…lol…”beep, beep, beep, beep, boop, boop, boop”. Bobby Digital? Now THAT’S lyricism. In the word of Gob from Areested Development “COME ON”. Wu Tang owes me about two hundred dollars for me being a loyal fan, and copping wack cd’s.
Now, is RZA smart? Of Course.
I think RZA is definitly an intellectual, but he needs to worry about his own damn self instead of condemning an entire region.
36 chambers was my joint. Tical was my joint. Iron man was my joint. Return to the 36 was my joint.
I aint hatin, I’m just saying dude needs to listen to himself.
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July 17th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Wu-Tang Clan, along with other greats like Run-DMC, EPMD, NWA, etc, are responsible for taking hip hop to the next level.
How many groups/people can you say about that over the last 5-7 years? I can’t think of anyone off the top of my head. To truly revolutionize the rap game? Biggie, Pac, Hova. Das it.
I’ve been an avid Wu fan since they first dropped. I was enthused once I heard they were in the studio for another group album. To now hear this…sucks..straight up.
By the way..funny line miss info..”Bishop Algebra or Maniacal Chemist etc.” LMFAO!
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July 17th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
(Sigh) I feel like you miss info. Rza is right and wrong for some odd reason he saying he is doing this for the people. But he is saying there has to be business handle. When have Wu ever gave a fuck about handling business? I ain’t talking about on the mic or tour shit naw. I am talking about contracts. Damn i guess we really are living in a new world aren’t we? I still remember the “Protect ya neck” with no budget one of the greatest hip hop video of all time.Rza and Ghost need to chill ain’t nobody doing nothing without either one of them. It bad enough i gotta deal with a album without ODB. I remember in the double XXL ghost was saying the last couple of wu albums was wack.Shit i think i still have the magazine issue . It’s the one Jadakiss on the cover. If i can find it i will email the interview to you. This shit break my heart though how in the fuck U-god ripping verses? Shit i love U-god but for RZA to come and say he is the rawest right now. Got my head spinning. Oh man i know this gonna be a bad day now…fuck it. I don’t work today , i’m going back to sleep. This gotta be a nightmare. (sigh)
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July 17th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
NOT TO GET OFF THE SUBJECT…….BUT TONY YAYO SHOULD BE SHOT IN HIS FUCKING FAGGOT ASS FACE AFTER SAYING GHOSTFACE KILLAH AINT WRITE SUPREME CLIENTELE…..OF COURSE YAYO SAYING SOME FUCKING PERSON FROM QUEENS(TONY YAYO’S HOME TOWN) WROTE THE ALBUM….YEAH OKAY!! GHOSTFACE ALBUM DONT SELL LIKE THEM G FAGGOTS, BUT HIS RHYMES IS A BILLION TIMES BETTER THAN ANYTHING G UNIT CAN EVER MAKE. tHE WU REALLY NEEDS TO BEAT/STOMP THE FUCKING HELL OUT OF G UNIT….AND YOU KNOW AINT A DAMN ONE PERSON FROM THEM G FAGGOTS WILL EVER EVER EVER EVER STEP ON SHAOLIN…..THEY NEVER WILL..SWEAR TO GOD, G UNIT CRIES MORE THAN A GIRL ON A PERIOD. THAT LAST BIG SONG GHOST PUT OUT WITH AMY WINEHOUSE….IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING G UNIT HAS EVER PUT OUT…..G UNIT HAS SERIOUS JEALOUSY ISSUES, INSPITE OF THEIR NICE BANK ACCOUNTS THEY HATE…THEY JUST CANT BE EASY AND ENJOY THEY MONEY WITH OUT TRYIN TO MAKE A POORER PERSON FEEL LESS….THATS HOW RICH NIGGAS GET STR8 ROBBED….YAYO A FUCKIN CLOWN….FUCKIN HATE G UNIT….IF GHOSTFACE IS NOT RELEVANT, THEN WHAT DO G UNIT THINK OF AFRIKA BAMBAATA AND KOOL HERC??? RESPECT DUE TO THOSE WHO PAVED THE WAY FOR YOU….AND WU PAVED THE WAY FOR GROUPS TODAY…LIKE G UNIT
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July 17th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Rza was definitely on point as far as southern hip hop is concerned. and who is tony yayo by the way? I only associate myself with people who have actually made an impact on hip hop culture. the south only has a few lyricist (luda, T.I. so to speak, scarface, Bun B, wayne to an extent) and most of the time southern artists ain’t saying much.
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July 17th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
Rza is dope. I dont kno watz goin on with everybody else. Just do the album. I mean what else are they gonna do? And I think New York now is just like the south. They got A Bay Bay, we got Aunt Jackie. They had a bunch of other songs, we had Chicken Noodle Soup. All new artist suck(well the 1s thats on a major). No matter where they from. Most of the artist I listen to is from the 90s era. SEE IF U CAN NAME 10 GOOD ARTIST THAT CAME OUT BETWEEN 2000-2007
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July 17th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
No song that’s been on the radio in the past year has had any sort of real substance or worth. Walk it out? Ay Bay Bay? Are you fucking kidding me. I could’ve written those songs with a pen between my ass cheeks. Actually lets take it a step further and talk about from the year 1999 and on. HipHop I won’t necessarily say is dead but it has acquired what seems to be an uncurable form of downsyndrome. I drive a 2002 Maxima and still have yet to set any radio stations in it because of the amazing garbage they play.
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July 17th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
beep beep beep beep boop boop boop
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July 17th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Thanks for the info, Miss Info
RZA has no business talking shit about the South as a region and comes off as bitter. That “I’m more hip hop than you Southerners” attitude is bullshit. I bet he wasn’t saying that when Wu Tang had a clothing store in downtown Atl 10 years ago. And Wu-Tang had/has the grillz with fangs and the flashy jewelry (like everyone else) so what stereotype were they representing? And intelligent young black man= ODB? I love Dirty and he was known for being a crazy, wild mothafucka, at least that is the way he was portrayed in the mainstream media.
The South has so much more unity compared to NY. People have their egos but for the most part everyone gets along and almost everyone works together. If NY was like that, it would be better for everyone.
Can’t blame Rae for wanting the contracts straight. Making music is what he does for a living, he’s not obligated to get the shaft finacially because Wu fans want a new album. No one should work for free or not get paid accordingly unless he/she chooses to. Making a quality album can take sometime and committing to promoting the project will take up even more time.
P.S. Miss Info, I heard you mentioned in a new Hell Rell song with 40 Cal.
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July 17th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Yo rza aint say nuttin about method man if anybody could get ghostface on the project its him but if any group could bring NY back its Wu-tang.
nd wat rza said about the south is true (w. the exception of outkast,scarface,nd luda) most of wat they put out are mindless lyrics about grills nd rims covered by beats & hooks sampled from other southern rap songs.
but this album is coming out I cant see Wu-tang not being able to come to agreements nd put out another classic.
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July 18th, 2007 at 5:28 am
Much props to u Miss Info for this post and i DEFINITLY feel disappointed too.
I’m looking at each member’s career and where they at now and I refuse to believe that even one of them think he’ll be dong better without such a project. Them united is what made it magic in the first place. i realize it’s a tough challenge to get it done. But the stake is high
They’ve built Wu Tang and al that it means theirselves with sweat, struggle, rhymes and PASSION.
Why would they want to do a Wu Tang album without really being involved and risk to tarnish even more their biggest achievement in their life artist.
Maybe they lost faith n don’t feel able to produce smth worth it… like you say as artists maybe they have moved on from the mythology of their own body of work..
that would be very sad because the only one who really moved out of his body is ODB…
They’re still here so why not make it.
I stay tune
I remember in Paris they rocked a football stadium back in their prime. The only rappers who ever did it there.
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July 18th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
the only problem with the RZA is and has been he is to far head of the game.
Bring back the WU we need that and if takes time to make the right blend then so be it i can wait for a classic!
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July 18th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
I use to be a die hard wu fan back in 93, and the problem now is that the members in wu tang still think Its 93. Time waits for no one and if the album dont come out this year it a wrap
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July 20th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
mayne, i’m long over due 4 anotha triump and anotha classic. i grew up during da sholin era. then like all great groups dey ran dey course. i can’t get mad @ dat on a real. dats the way it is nah i mean? but yo if dey can really put all da ish on da side and put out anotha one, i’ll cop it no matta what.
and yeah Rza is right bout da souf. i wont mash da souf cuz dey been holdin it down 4 hip hop.h8 it or not it is what it is. only g-unit been really keepin NY on da map, but as we know dat team dont speak or rep 4 all of NY.
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July 21st, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Yeah things don’t sound good especially with Rza airin everybody out like this. I wonder why ghost delaying also with him on OB4CL2 seeing how it hasn’t even came out yet.
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August 2nd, 2007 at 7:20 pm
I feel the same way as you… “why is the only album I care about, so hard to make?” They are the only group I really support because they are the best. I just hope they can get it together and produce an album that is AMAZING. Keep our fingers cross cuz “Wu Tang Clan Aint Nuttin’ To Fu*k Wit”
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August 7th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
I USED TO LISTEN TO THE WU BACK IN THE DAY, BUT IF THEY COME OUT WITH A NEW ALBUM NOT MANY WOULD CARE MAINLY BECAUSE OF D BLOCK, G-UNIT AND UNFORTUNATLY DIPSET.IF ITS HOT I’LL CHECK IT OUT.
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