Wed 5 Aug 2009
Sigh: Big Pun’s wife says she and her kids are in a shelter, Fat Joe responds
Posted by Miss Info under beef , life beyond rap , not good for hip hop , relationships and family , sigh....[100] Comments
Recently, Liza Rios, Big Pun’s widow (who also put out “Still Not a Player,” a documentary about life with the legend, and her struggle with domestic abuse in their marriage) said that financial woes have forced her and her kids to live in a city shelter. Rios says that she received $160k in royalties from her late husband’s music, but that those funds were quickly used up in mortgage payments and childcare.
Today, The Life Files posted a response from Fat Joe, who Rios has often blamed for her financial problems….
“Immediately after Puns death I gave Liza Rios the whole advance of the Endangered Species album, NO ONE but Liza made a dollar off that album. I also gave her the total advance from the publishing company that was due to Big Pun.
I’ve never made a dollar off Big Pun since his passing. This was hundreds of thousands of dollars of frivolous spending, after the second payoff I washed my hands. Since then we have been through 6 lawyers, harassment on various radio stations and online mediums every time she needs more money. I also have legal documents stating that NO ONE is making money off of Big Pun.
I sympathize with Liza, but I have done already done enough for her. In these economic times we as parents need to be resilient and do what it takes to provide for our own families.”
So once again, we get back to the topic of responsibility vs charity vs legacy vs image.
To what extent is a rapper’s mentor and/or the label or execs who made money off of him responsible for taking care of his wife and kids? We’ve seen instances where friends of fallen rappers announce their plans to help support the surviving family members. Jay-Z rapped in “What We Do,”: “But I gotta feed Tianna [Biggie's daughter], man. So I move keys…” [**reader The Kraken wisely points out that this rhyme is may refer to Jay-Z's own niece, not Biggie's daughter....I'll try to think of another lyric, which I'm terrible at by the way...but off the top of my head, we've heard Diddy talk about Biggie's estate, and we've heard Busta Rhymes say that he was setting up funds for his deceased bodyguard's kids] And other deceased artists have foundations set up to handle their posthumous projects and revenue. Big Pun’s Capital Punishment and Yeeaah Baby sold multi-platinum, but I’m not sure if Endangered Species did.
But with no Rappers Benevolent Association, and no pension plan….what are the unofficial rules?
How does it work with organized crime (since some of their “street rules,” are appropriated too)?…does the wife get an envelope for the rest of her life? Or does it peter off once the support wears off its image-enhancing value?
Now…as Fat Joe points out….to what extent is Liza Rios responsible for her and her family’s own support? The real tragedy is that there are many children, related to legend and not, who are living in the shelter system….where focusing on survival leaves little room for being a kid.
(thanks to Ice for the link)
August 5th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
I believe Fat Joe on this one. Immediately when I read this story, I was like, well did Big Pun really make that much $$$ for someone to still have a good chunk of royalities paid to them 10 years later? I’m not trying to be insensitive but I don’t think that crew grossed that much $.
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Miss Info Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I’m not sure…multi-platinum equals alot of money. So the bulk went to Loud?
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Lee Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
I think it goes to what type of contract he was under. I mean look at TLC selling millions or records but yet they filed for Bankcrupcy. if he was on a “slave” contract then his family wouldn’t get much money.
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Yellow Jarrett Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
agreed with the contract, but if u look at the majority of americans they can survive on minimum wage, so for a celeb who is making more than minimum wage there should be no way how they can go bankrupted unless they stupidly spend their money.
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August 5th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Right… A few times platinum dont equal say 400k not on multiple albums that just doesnt add up to me..
Why isnt there someone out there helping her get to the bottom of this? I dont believe Joe I believe this girl Remy and Linxs….
This is the reason why there really isnt any time for a pitty party during death she should have sucked it up and managed his estate better and taken care of her business better.. She should sell the rights to his name to a licensing firm and get this shit going..
But you know this is all very hood to me.. I need a hustler on my side who knows how to ride if I’m here or not.. I’m sure she did some crazy spending but I’m also sure the 100k of 300k they gave her wasn’t all he earned..
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Big Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
This is a lesson for all men on two things one the type of woman you choose to be with and two how you treat and support that woman. Communication is a wonderful thing as annoying as it might be you can never talk too much to your spouse giving them the road map for the future AND supporting them being strong individuals and not dependant weak souls.. If you abuse your lady and break her down as pun did then what kind of person do you think you’re going to leave behind to take care of your kids and business? These women are more than sex objects fareal, empower them to be the best they can be with or without you and even if they leave you because you stopped growing their loyalty and heart will always be with you. I hate dudes that see a female trying to do her thing school whatever and get them knocked up, off track and stuck THAT SHIT MAKES ME SICK! Niggas need to stop being so insecure and let these woman do the damn thing and support them as much as they can while trying to keep up.. There is a much larger debate to be had here but I’m not sure people would really get it… This is both a tragedy and a lesson for everyone..
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August 5th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Damn this is sooo sad!! I can’t stop having something to say about this.. But here is my most creative business advice for her.. She should publicly guilt loud and Joe into releasing all of the royalties information they have about Pun as well as give all of his publishing to the family if that ever happens she should buy one of those ringtone portals and take all of his work and create a dope ringtone compilation package that people can buy which would go fast because of some of those beats and hooks, so that’s a good start.. Beyond that she should start doing speaking tours to battered woman’s groups, maybe write a book titled “Surviving hip hops Capital Punishment” detail her abusive relationship, the rise the fall and the abuse she took from one time friends of Big Pun who neglected to help her and her kids. I would forgive her for shitten on pun if it feeds her kids even though I think the theme of the book should be her rebuilding process and journey to reach the other end of the tunnel. Make that shit a lifetime movie, talk and tour some more and put her life in order.. I remember Malik Sealy wife writing a book about how the NBA and all his rich friends turned their back on his family after he died and he was basically broke from trying to keep up with a lifestyle that he couldn’t really afford to pay for. She need to step her hustle game up, get a hungry publicist/manager to drag her ass through this but the longer she waits the less people will give a fuck.. Yo info you and Angie know people why don’t you put her with someone that can help her create and execute a plan, fuck where is Dame Dash at?
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tree Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 8:44 am
cosign 100%.
regardless of whether or not joe didn’t pay up what was rightfully due to pun’s fam, liza should’ve hustled hard for the kids. what’s unfortunate was that she had (still has) a great platform and didn’t take full advantage of it. a lot of single moms been thru what liza went through with the domestic violence and still manage to keep their families afloat on much less than what she got. i know she got a lot of shit for coming forward with that, but she’s in a position to give a voice to so many women out there.
big is definitely onto something here.
Neeve Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
I am definitely cosigning on that as well. Tree I just want to point some things out. The platform she had although it was great, not all women have that wisdom instilled in them to make it work (business wise) Some is more use to just barely surviving and taking care of the kids. Feel me. What I felt she should of did from jump was get a very good financial advisor to help her with everything to budget out everything so she would know how every dollar was being spent. Then she would of noticed that the house she was living in was way above her means and she would of been able to sell it for a smaller more inexpensive house. Before she got in the hole she is in right now. I feel so bad for her and I hope everything work in her favor. But now is her time to start making it happen for her children. Hustle hard (legally)
August 5th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
WOW *** Joe a foul dood. I agree the wife was dumb with her money, this i know personally. If the money went to morgage then the house should be paid.
But Joe should at least put something aside for PUN’s kids. and kids only.
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Lee Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
I do believe the wife did something dumb with the money I.E. Champane dreams with beer money. but lets be honest when will the responsibly fall on the parent. remember Joe has kids himself so he has to look out for his family as well
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Neeve Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
At the same time joe and his family is far from struggling and most artist when they are close to the “Artist”that passed, they make sure the family dont suffer. She is suffering. I know she need to do something but like I said before, alot of people dont have that wisdom instilled in them.
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Puns’s wife is a shady chcik.
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
There are plenty of women surviving on no royalty $ etc. So no sympathy here, she should have been wiser with her money. She had an oppertunity to do better for her family once pun died and she was able to get away from the emotion/physical abuse she claims to have endured by Pun. So why is it she’s in a shelter with teenage children? Girl bye Start taking responsabilty for yourself and ur family.
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John doe Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Yup, I agree. I heard she stayed in the same house after pun died, why not move into a cheaper house, with less exspenses??? On the stregnth that, if that’s my mans kids, I’m not gonna see them in a shelter, but she can work. He just said he had to get lawyers and shit like that, so I don’t think he lying about anything. Give me 116 thousand, imma flip it to 116 million.
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Seriously though Joe did his part. She STAY throwing Joe under the bus for her money situation. He ain’t her man, he does not have to provide for her! He did his part in the beginning but years later she still got her hand out? thats crazy! Unfortunately Pun didn’t have a whole 20/30 yrs in the game and an ass of cds for her to collect money off of so she could live off of his legacy. Money does run out and when she saw that she should have prepared for her new lifestyle.
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
i still dont believe a word outta fat joe’s mouth…he’s an amazing human being,thats all i’m gonna say.
pun’s kids ARE the Endangered Species nigga!
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Lee Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Ok but when do you say to Puns wife “what have you been doing since his death” when do people stop pointing the finger at someone else and say “I messed up with the way I spent the money”
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
I’m pretty sure she has had some compensation. Realtalk she needs to get a job like everyone else yo
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
big shouts to triple seis for repping pun the right way
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Just sounds like she’s screaming for attention now. And if it’s true that no one made anything off of “Endangered Species” except her, she should have had a hell of a lot of money since it went platinum.
Things just don’t seem to add up for me. Am I wrong?
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I love women, but they are more shisty when it comes to money then men are. All I hear about now of days is broads trying to get a mans money one way or another. Shit Liza, go out there and make something with your life you fat slob of a human being. Joe I side with you all day on this fatty and I don’t blame Pun for laying a little smack down on her either, you know she begged for it. She was probably always asking for money and spending even more than she should have.
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
If there is legal documents, so be it. You must move on a do you !! There’s only some much a person can do especially when he has his own family !! For a mother to still use his death as a sympathy ploy is crazy. Joe wasn’t the only emcee close to Pun, he just got him in the door.
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
@ some point Mz. Rios must step up and take responsibility for what happened here! She got money and used it. The question is how? It is her responsibility to take care of her children make sure they had something for college and to live on. If everything Joe says is true then the fault is soley hers. Not that I totally believe Fat Joe. I am sure he made something off of Pun. Noone is that altruistic! But as His Widow and The mother of His children, ultimatly it was up to Mz. Rios to make sure a trust was set up and the bills were paid. If she had a mortgage that was too much. sell the house and get a smaller one! Save Save Save is the moral here!
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
No pension, no healthcare, that’s how we lost so many emcees & entertainers when they’ve hit hard times in the past. I still remember when Too Poetic passed from colon cancer and his label did little to help.
His friends & peers put on benefits…the industry doesn’t love these artists or care about their families well being. Joe did all he could (and more to be completely honest) from my understanding as well.
Damn shame, really.
One.
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
I feel fuck wat fat joe and the wife is going through. If das ur man u look out regardless. There’s kids involved. So I feel Joe should give her some money out of respect 4 his friendship wit Pun. Think about the kids man. Jus shows u how ppl are. Pun is watching and he prolly disgusted @ da shit he is seeing. Come on joe u think Pun would want his kids n a shelter.
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Curtis75Black Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Look man, if she got all the money from his last plus what she was given before hand, why continue ? People with regular jobs aren’t gonna do that !! Just because you’re a emcee don’t mean a thing nowadays. It’s been 10 years now. If you haven’t got off your ass by now, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Why doesn’t she have a job? Period.
Why is it that women, particularly women related to / dealing with / married to men in the industry seem to forget that they can do for themselves and their children …ON THEIR OWN?? Millions of women do it every single day …with waaay less than a 160K jump start.
If 160K wasn’t going to last she should have caught on to that within the first year and downsized …smaller house, condo, apartment. If she was planning on living out the rest of her days on money her husband made she should have spent wisely …wtf …investments maybe???
She has no one to blame but herself. This world doesn’t owe you anything.
That money should have been looked at like a blessing and unfortunately for her children, it looks like it was squandered.
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cousinwigs Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Agreed. I have three kids and $160 jumpstart would have me and my kids straight. She should bought a small place outright Invested the rest and started bringing some regular income in. In other not even necesarily a job, she could have started her own business, became finacially independant.
I agree with other readers don’t fully trust Joey, but find it hard to believe Pun is bringing in any more paper these days after all the usual suspecets(irs,contractual obligations) get their cut. Seems to me this is a situation where this chick forgot thier was no new music and did no planning. Sad cuz i don’t want to see ANYBODYS kids in a shelter. All his boys cant get together and buy her a small condo/coop house upstate or something?
Not saying they should take care of her for life but help her out. I think she realizes what it’s about now.
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blac.sapphic Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Honestly, I don’t think she gets it …at all.
The fact that she’s still riding the ‘no one’s done / doing anything for me and my children’ wagon leads me to believe that if ever given a hand out, she’d be back in this position within a few years.
She has to grow up and do it on her own. Her children are HER responsibility. HERS! If she was wise, that 160K could have set her up for life.
If Fat Joe is making money off of some residuals …SO WHAT!!! As a player in the original deal, he is entitled to some form of payment. Period.
What she gets is what she gets based on the deal PUN SIGNED OFF ON. How can anyone blame Fat Joe for that??
That aside, he has his own children / family to provide for.
Friends or not, you can only do but so much for someone and you sure as hell can’t help those that don’t want to help themselves.
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
If what Joe says is true, he’s absolutely not responsible. Why continue to feed not only your family, but someone else’s regardless of affiliation, if the other person is just running through the funds.
On the other hand, if she is being irresponsible with the money then Joe should have taken care of the KIDS out of his own pocket to make sure they at least had a roof over their heads. I don’t think it’s his responsibility to take care of a greedy woman though who obviously doesn’t care about the kids herself. He couldn’t withold the monies from Pun’s sale because she would’ve come after him with the law for those, but whatever monies he had he should take care of those kids out of obligation to his homeboy. But the greedy wife can kick rocks.
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
He should publicize the papers to show how much was actually given to her. Although I’m empathetic to her story, it doesn’t make sense how a multiplatinum, grammy nominated artists widow wouldn’t have anything to show 4 it. The house should be paid and the only thing she would have to do I pay the taxes and bills. On the other hand if that was really joes peoples he would have made sure the house was paid. I saw that she didn’t really receive that much. It could have taken years for that money. He should have atleast secured the house.
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August 5th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I’ve told people this story before…and don’t get me wrong I sympathize with this situation BUT I put this on Pun himself and his Wife.
1)Pun with a clear number of medical conditions didn’t secure health/life insurance or buy 100% a home for the family.
2)I saw Liza’s spend, baller life not long after Pun passed. I was still in school working at the damn movie theater and she came with the kids to see a movie and I was serving her her popcorn adn what not. She was ICED OUT!!!Full length fur coat, rings chains and all. So hey their has to be some responsibility here.
In hindsight she spent her money worst then Soulja Boy ever has.
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K-Dubb Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Co-sign!!!
I b in the Bronx & after Pun died, this chick was living how you say- “GHETTO FABULOUS”!!! She thought she was the shit & everyone elses stank! Joe isn’t obligated to do ANYTHING for her, especially after the way she crapped all over him. He could a little do 4 the kids since that was his man but its HER responsibility to manage the finances 4 HER fam! Some Kats in the hood don’t know what 2 do with their money except show it off instead of investing. Wait 10 yrs & see outta all these flossing ballas who still “Makin it Rain”! BWAHAHAHAHA
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August 5th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
cmon…….She is a lot heavier than she used to be and with more tattoos. Plus the fact that she has never come off as intelligent or good with money. She was given hundreds of thousands of dollars, made all the money off of Endangered species and sold the Still not a player DVD(which I bought) and got 2 payoffs from Joe………She is in the same boat with alot of artists who feel that since they get a chunk of change, they feel they set and don’t have to work. You got people who were once millionares, living in debt because they had NO income and were still spending like crazy eating good and getting tattoos…..Plus she got the same broke cats who never did for themselves to get anything, in her ear telling her what she deserves and what she needs. Pun had 2 cds and a comp. Royalties, she got, but she feel like she don’t have to work ever again?
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August 5th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
joe is a liar!! he hasnt made one dime off of pun since passing?? dude thats not even possible. he was the boss so he got paid of course. he gave up advances, who knows how much they were!! thats not the money puns family is owed, peep her words ROYALTIES!! not hand out.
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August 5th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Yeah, some things are just not adding up.
Why doesn’t she have a job or a way to provide for fam, if she’s really interested in taking care of her kids? She’s been living in a shelter for a while now, and she’s cool with that?
How is it possible that NO ONE is making money off Pun? Where are all the Itunes/ringtone sales going? I understand it may not be all that much, but i’m sure Pun has grossed some money after Liza got her Endangered Species money.
So, I’m inclined to believe that both Liza and Joe + music labels are shady muthafuckas.
It’s funny that in hip hop, we fantasize about male bravado. “Pun’s my man, I’ve got his back in anything. I’ll pop a n*gga for Pun (and risk huge jail time), but I wont pay to get his kids out of a shelter.” lol. Sometimes we gotta take a step back and question this ’street culture’ logic especially when people conveniently disregard it in real life, and only seem to embrace it when it’s time to sell records to the easily-swayed masses.
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dimples Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
So true, and sway the masses they do. Right now hip hop is a contradiction. Hip Hop as an art is a wonderful medium to educate the youth, inspire the people, uplift the community and entertain the masses. Hip Hop as a business dumbs down the youth, degrades the people, insults the intelligence and integrity of (mostly) black people, and robs the masses. The masses keep throwing money at it begging to be lied to and sold a dream. In the past five years I cannot think of one hip hop song in regular rotation with lyrics meant to encourage a black child to go to college. Half the kids I meet can’t see college as a way out but rapping, oh yes. Round these parts if you throw a rock you will hit a unemployed rapper (and felon and baby daddy who still lives with his mother). I feel sick for my kids generation and I will do everything in my power to keep my daughter from becoming a ‘Liza Rios’ type chick who can’t keep a roof over her own damn head.
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Rent Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
that was my only point…joey stays screaming “pun is my brother,my brother this,my brother that” but his children are living in a shitty shelter where kids rape other kids and what not.Aight forget the wife…but what about your so called nephews and nieces?
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August 5th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
wait, i know BIG’s daughter is named Tianna, but I think the Ti-Ti Jay is referring to in “What We Do” is his niece.
Peep a couplet from “What More Can I Say”: “I will literally kiss Ti-Ti in the forehead/Tell her please forgive me, then squeeze into your forehead…”
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Miss Info Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
ah haa….you’re right. Let me find a different instance….there’s other quotes where ppl talk about big’s kids….
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MAJESTY Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
“As for your son I’ma raise Shorty like he was mine …”
BY Sheech Louch (We’ll always love big poppa”)
Perfect example of a rapper saying in his lyrics he’ll step up to the plate but did he really do that. I doubt it …
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ChicaGo-Getter Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Not the same Tianna…Hov is referring to his niece in those songs. His sister’s daughter. Not Big’s first born.
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Isaiah Thomas Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
well you never know with jay….. he says subliminal lines that make you go hmmmmm he could be talking about this [person but im 90% sure hes talking about blah blah…
August 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
All i’m saying is people are quick to attack SouljaBoy for spending money on himself but are reluctant to encourage Fat Joe to spend some money or make donations to the Rios family. Makes you wonder…..
At the end of the day, I believe everybody is entitled to spend their money on whatever they choose.
As for Liza, if she really believes that she’s owed money through royalties, take legal action let the courts decide, airing this stuff in public does not help.
I do sympathise with her and empathise her sitauation but what does she do financially to sustain herself and her family. She’s not the 1st woman in the world to lose a husband. Does she work? Because if she was expecting to live off Pun even after his death this is the result of poor judgement. I really do wish she can get back on her feet and find a way to sustain herself and look after her children.
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YouNG FReSH2D Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Huh still awaiting moderation? What do you have against my comment Miss Info? …..(Head scratch)
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YouNG FReSH2D Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Still Miss Info? really?
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August 5th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
none of us walk in her shoes, but there are women gettin it everyday out there kids or not. It’s messed up, but knowing his situation, money and health wise, Pun should have structured something for the future, and his family. when you are on the road daily, anything can happen ( Wyclef should have told him that) so you have got to have a plan. You can’t say Joe’s responsible for much more, Loud should have set up a fund and done more imo, but ultimately her well being and that of her children falls on her. But if you gon sit back and be a punching bag, something aint right anyway, emotional issues and fear aside.
side bar…Info I sent you a Raekwon interview link (circa 1995 (a cuban link classic)) and a shout on part 4. No love?!?!?
part 1 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BorhLDVyp3M
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August 5th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
I mean was Pun REALLY balling? I mean REALLY? No. I’d be surprised if that man grossed over 500K in his career. Chances are he was signed to a record deal that DIDN’T really provide a lot of money for HIM. I mean he’s had only 3 LPs. Even though they went plat I doubt he was bound to see a lot of paper from them either way. We’re talking about Big Pun. NOT Jay-Z…NOT Diddy…NOT 50 Cent. Like the man was an impeccable lyricist but I don’t think his business sense matched that. She was still paying a mortgage for Christ sake. Unless that was a new house purchased after his death there’s no excuse for that. In all honesty 160K may be all the man made.
Sometimes I don’t think people know how to seperate the man from the myth. Like dude really wasn’t the character he portrayed on the mic. Joe did MORE than what was necessary. Somewhere down the line Pun’s widow should’ve got off her ass and got a job. Like WTF? The mentalities in our communities are so fucked up. Like NO ONE owes you anything. NO ONE! If you want something out of life YOU have to go out and get it. If people do lend you a hand you should NOT take it for granted. Cuz you never know when that opportunity will come again.
People are so far from reality it’s scary. Like 98% of rappers are NOT caked up. In fact most are living being their means and god forbid that paper starts to slow up they ass will be in a bad position too. We need some mandatory life coursed in Hip Hop. Entourages and baby mommas included. Cuz we are so fucking lost it’s insane. Pun WASN’T a boss! He was signed to some bosses who HE made rich…probably. Like it’s hard for me to believe anyone is STILL eating off his catalogue in 2009. Besides “Still Not A Player” what else would be bringing in money?
Think logically!
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Corporate Takeover Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
I cosign this…this is what I w as trying to get at in my comment on #1.
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August 5th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
They won’t be in the shelter long Section 8 gonna give her a place to stay in a minute anyway, she got kids. I never understand grown women who think it is someone else’s responsibility to take care of them. Granted she was young and went through stuff and made mistakes, but plenty time done passed for her to help herself. $116K, shoot I never had a gwap like that at once, it take me two years to make that, and now my tax $$’s gonna help pay for that welfare and section 8. It’s obvious that the hand out is her hustle. My kids don’t get free lunch at school, and with or without my husband, they will live in my home.
How she sitting there with teenagers and don’t work, it’s not like she gotta pay for daycare. She got tats and braids and nobody do that for free. If she has not seen proof of royalties that still don’t mean don’t work a real job now. If you get that money later that’s well and good, but work today. Sitting around waiting on some could be royalty money. It’s unfortunate she was abused by Pun, but he has been gone for a while now. I know chicks that grinding hard cause they doing it alone. Chicks with small kids working two jobs, and still being mom and dad with no help. I can’t feel sorry for her. Thats’s why you will never see me pawning jewels and furs and shit, like I’m sure she had to. I’m doing my family and we gonna be alright, money is prioritized, not trying to impress none of these mf’s.
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August 5th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
get off ur ass and get a job.
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August 5th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
My question is has she worked, has she set up a charity for her and the kids, it’s the same with lotto winners, rich today poor tomorrow because of poor monetary decisions, it’s a bad predicament, but there comes a time when you work to support your family, even if that means moving in a less expensive city with better job opportunities, he has been dead for a long while now, time to move on and pull your own weight, obviously his crew not going to give you no money
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August 5th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
If I buy a Big Pun mp3 on amazon japan today, how much of $1 would go to this woman?
Kill Ryu
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August 5th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Big Pun not only release 2 cd’s (one after death) he was also part of the Terror Squad cd and featured on the 2nd along with Big L (fat Joe was also down with DITC) while being guests on countless r&b tracks and Hip Hop cd’s from Heavy D, Violators, Funk Master Flex, Dj Clue, Naughty By Nature and so on !! He blazed alot before his passing. She and her family shouldn’t be going through this !!
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ChicaGo-Getter Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Even with ALL of that. I doubt Pun was caked up. I mean you gotta look at this situation from a financial perspective. Not from a fan’s perspective. Skill does NOT equal wealth. Even judging by the way he was living right before he passed it didn’t really look like he had money like that.
I seriously think she’s looking for something that isn’t there. Half those features you named prob aint even bring in no REAL money. Not to mention he prob did some on the love.
Pun WASN’T a millionaire. He made other niggas millionaires but he himself was not.
Unless you were Nelly, Eminem, Dr. Dre (and other popular producers), Baby from Cash Money, Diddy or Jay-Z you weren’t raking in the big bucks from Hip Hop during 98-00
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August 5th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
he says “the second time around” so that means he gave her more money after she F’d it up the first time? shes the mother she cant expect anyone to take of her kids but herself. she has to look at herself adn ask what happened to those monies. Joe has obviously tried to help, I think the record label should do a little bit more however.
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August 5th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING WRITTEN BUT UNDERSTAND 1 MUTIPLATNUM ALBUM CAPITAL PUNISHMENT OVER 6X’S TO BE EXACT YEAH BABY SELLS OVER A MILLION AND ENDANGERED SPECIES SELLS OVER 300,000 ALBUMS WHERE DID ALL THE ROYALTIES GO WHY DID JOE ONLY GIVE A MEASLEY 160,000 CHECK FROM THE LAST ALBUM WHERE DID THE MONEY FROM THE OTHER ALBUMS GO AND PUN WAS ALSO A PRODUCER ON HIS FIRST ALBUM SO THATS EVEN MORE ROYALTIE MONEY WHERE IS IT ALL AT!!!!!!!!!!?? EVEN THOUGH SHE SHOULD BE GETTING A JOB OR AT LEAST GOING TO COURT TO AQUIRE HIS PUBLISHING AND OTHER RIGHTS AND MAYBE PUTTING SOMETHING OUT TO MAKE SOME ENDS SHE SHOULD HVE RECIEVED AT LEAST 7-8 MILLION ALL TOGETHER WE ALL KNOW HE DIDNT LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO RECIEVE OR SPEND ALL HIS ROYALTIES AND HE HAD A PERCENTAGE OF TERROR SQUAD NOT THAT THE LABEL MADE ALOT OF MONEY BUT IT DID MAKE SOME WHERES THE MONEY FROM THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND SHE NEEDS TO CONTACT LOUD RECORDS AND GET ON THEIR ASS TOOOO!!!!!!!
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ChicaGo-Getter Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Pun was around for his most successful album which was “Capital Punishmen.” Even “Yeah Baby” went plat but that was in ‘99. Do you guys really think she would be able to eat of Pun’s Catalogue for 10 years?
You think those LPs are still bring in dough today? I can understand “Still Not A Player” cuz that record was very successful. But you aint living off Pun’s catalogue.
And if he did own a percentage of Terror Squad he prob lost some money on that project, lol. They obviously mismanaged their money. Pun included. If everything was REALLY squared away she wouldn’t have this much trouble receiving what she was owed. Ask Afeni Shakur…
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August 5th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Capital Punishment: 9x Platinum
Yeah Baby: 5x Platinum
It may seem unfair that Pun generated tens of millions for the record labels,yet his wife didn’t even receive 1% of that. She received what she was legally entitled to, and really doesn’t have any legal basis on which to complain.
There are bigger selling artists in history than Pun who died broke with worst recording contracts than him.
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K-Dubb Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Word…
Remember Tupac died with damn near only or less than 100k in his account after all the records, movies etc. Just because you see singers & rappers flossing with all that ish, that don’t mean they gonna be rich in 10 years. Its all about show/spend now, 4get about the future. If yall believe that they are, I got a bridge 2 sell u. Smarten up People!!!
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August 5th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
both sides are shady, but with all honesty i think that its sad that entertainment industries have nothing set up for dead artists families. Look at J Dilla’s estate, his family is not seeing a dime off all the tracks he produced. Someone needs to police the labels
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August 5th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Someone should tell her fat ass to get out there and make her own money. Pun has been gone for a long time now and she is still doing this? Give me a break. If this was a man bitching about being broke ever since his superstar wife passed away, everyone would be yelling “get a job”…
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hip hop Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
do your homework she never worked and was in an abusive relationship that dint allow her to work or educate herself and from the looks of things hasnt full recovered from that .
To lead an adult elephant around with a string you must first bound him by large chains as a youth
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K-Dubb Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Bullshit. She had 10 yrs 2 see that money wasnt gonna last & STILL just sat on her ass until it was gone. What, somebody gotta help “educate” her too??? What happened to the independent woman? Was that only for Beyonce 2 sing & not act upon? He’s not alive to “abuse” her no more so she should stop using that as an excuse. Or do what everybody else thats been so called abused does & write a book. (oh right, she did that, oh well…)
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August 5th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
What pisses me off about this story is that she should have stepped up. She has had more than enough time to educate herself and provide for her children instead of blaming others for her hardship. I have personal experience to relate to this story. The opportunities are here and she did not use them.
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August 5th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Eliza is a lazy bitch! Pun been dead since 1999… and she’s still waiting for someone to take care of her? C’mon!!! Get a job bitch!!
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August 5th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
bottom line joe pun was your boy your fam your friend the dude that made you money and wrote for you . You should at least make sure his kids have a bank account setup for them . You need to sit down open the books and stop the bullshit . You need to put them in a position that will get them going come on a shelter fcuk out of here .You think pun would like how you holding him down now ? OPEN THE BOOKS PAY UP YOU AND LOUD
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YouNG FReSH2D Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Hold up, Pun knew he wasn’t doing well healthwise why didn’t he set up a trust fund for his own kids, Liza included. Ultimately it’s the parents responsibility to raise their own kids.
You mean to tell me she couldn’t have some of her kids taken care of by family friends or relatives?
Would Pun have done the same for Joe? knowing what you know about his pistol whipping sh!t? It’s a sad situation but one that was created by failing to step up.
She should have left with the kids while he was still alive because he was abusive and have the courts set up child support just like 50’s, Nas & Diddy’s baby Mom’s thats what you do when a relationship does not work.
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August 5th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Get a job bitch. Scratch that,get a fuckin career.
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August 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
To lead an adult elephant around with a string you must first bound him by large chains as a youth
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August 5th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Most artist make the bulk of their money from touring and merchandise.
To me it seems like Liza is waiting around for someone to do what she should have done 10 yrs ago. If she is his legal wife and there was no will leaving his estate to someone else then she controls his likeness and image. She needs to get off her butt and take control. She wants to make money off Pun’s legacy then hire a lawyer and strike a deal with a merchandiser. If she wants a Pun Day she needs to organize it. If she wants to make money from his music, she needs to sit down with Joe and the lawyers to make plans for compilation albums or pieced together albums like they do for Biggie.
I gotta side with Joe on this one. He’s done enough now she’s on her own.
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August 5th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
you know what usually i’m a nice person and i just have to say i don’t care about this story one iota and i believe what she saying as well as joe and this isn’t about them. the man is dead. the man be dead. so when is it time for you, even if he hurt you, even if you bore his kids, even if you made your whole world his, the man is dead and been dead. i don’t know anything about her job history or any of her kids and how old they are but you know what i know all about shelters. she can go in one and try to figure out her life but she needs to be strong too. the recession is here and it’s evil and we all struggling you know…poor people especially, but she had money…i mean i got no money, my family had no money, we have no money…so what do we do we work, and we hustle to survive. i’m going to say some things that is not like me but she needs to go work. she needs to do anything (whatever floats her boat) that comes her way and try to get $$$. i mean if she need to strip or sell some dope or thieve whatever. she could do lots of other things too like work for the city picking up trash, clean gutters, be a waiter, work at mcdonalds cause they always hiring, LOOK FOR WORK. nothing is handed to no one on a silver plate, and you know what she might be tired of everything that’s happened to her especially if she’s gotten shafted in life constantly but she needs to WORK. my mom and dad worked 24 hours without a rest and now they old and their jobs still aint getting them money so they are paying their way through courses and trying to get different jobs…and now they working 2 jobs again. i’m not working right now because i can’t get a job…and i probably have to go to mcd’s or something but yeah it’s a struggle for all of us people and you know you don’t need to rely on some deceased person to get yours. WORK!!!! it’s hard but someone has to do it.
lol at the benevolence fund. people nicer than me can set that up for people who actually deserve that kind of entitlement.
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August 5th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
I dont know what to say.
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August 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Liza mama get a job!
When u moved outta the house u claimed u was paying mortgage on, why yo ass moved back to the projects and bought an escalade? your kids couldnt fit in a lower end vehicle?
How many times are you gonna hold out your hand? expecting money that you’re not even sure about?
Im sorry y’all but I believed Fat Joe. I also dont think Pun had a contract that was benefiting him to the fullest, like these artists nowadays. Hello..it was Loud Records! who came up off Loud?
2nd – how much money is she expecting from Joe? how well did his albums do? doesnt he have children and family to tend too?
I think once Fat Joe spoke on this situation and he said he wasnt giving Liza no more money because she squander it on bullshyt and he doesnt believe she spends it on her children.
At this point in time her ass should have a J-0-B and stop sitting around waiting…
She needs to take what the blogger above (Big) said, get a book deal, go talk to ppl n shyt, we would excuse you for exploiting Pun since we know you’re battered story and all…
man…i cant..i give up..get a job B!
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hip hop Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
I can tell yall would get jerked in a 10yrs/5 album deal (smh) Pun wrote Joes albums so anything that moves from them albums pus fam should eat off of that Dont you get it joe has spent that money and now he does not want to pay up.Loud and joe should just open the books as they are required to and let her lawyers go through it and see whats whats
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Ms. Dee Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 7:38 am
I see where you’re coming from, and I agree Loud & Fat Joe should open up the books and prove her wrong or have her prove him wrong, either way, I agree, we need to see official documents but on another note, how much did Joe’s album b4 Pun passed and the one that dropped after his passing make?
She got $160k – might not be much when you’re living the high life but if the bread maker is no longer with us and you wanna continue living the high life, then you need to start doing things to – 1-keep his name alive (a frickin tattoo aint shyt lol) and 2-start making your own bread!
Pun was so talented and respected yet no one is contacting her, not even to stop by and say hi? whats wrong with this story? either she’s nowhere to be found OR after Pun’s passing she closed that door and only time she wanna open it is when the fund$ are low. Come on man, at what point is she gonna take responsibility for herself and her children?
She keeps in touch with ppl who’s no longer affiliated with Joe, why? cause Joe’s not gonna gie you money for not doing shyt, n*ggas wanna eat? well make an album then! im sure when Remy gets out she and remy gonna be friends too…and speaking of Remy, how comes I didnt hear of Remy hollering at her? nothing! that goes to show you and this is something ppl needs to learn, when a homie passes away, its out of respect that n*ggas keep in touch and give a lil summen summen ($) to the fam, they do that because they want to, not because they have to..loyalty and respect goes only so far IN LIFE, not just in this hip hop game..
Im still saying get a job, and she needs to holla at the ppl who’s in charge of Pun’s estate. Matter of fact, since she’s sure there’s more money in the bank for Pun, why she aint sue these n*ggas already? she dissapears everytime she gets a cheque and re appears when the money runs out SMH..get it together ma! I wish her and her children all the best tho, im out, got work in a few lol..trynna secure my money ya digg
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August 5th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
fuck fat joe. joe was suppose to keep the legacy going that way she can benefit from it like. like elvis, tupac, marliyn monroe and the other greats fat joe didn’t rep hard enough he don’t wear the pun chain, you know if pun had unrelease material he may have took a line or two, fat joe sucks he feels he owes pistol pete more than pun’s wife.
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hip hop Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
my dude you hit it on the head
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August 5th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
People are confusing personal dislike for Fat Joe for logical reason as to what he owes another mans family. He’s been called a liar and thief by everyone that hasn’t succeeded yet he continues to make moves in the game.You have to find the middle ground where other people’s responsibility to themselves meets the realistic abilities and lengths owed to “friends.”
All that I’ma rep to the Death stuff sounds great but its not just Joe’s job to do this.Even in the Still Not a Player DVD Joe was repeatedly called the “asshole” cuz he was the one that tried to keep Pun out of trouble.
And it’s a known fact unfortunately that Pun wasn’t a lab rat so he didn’t/doesn’t much unreleased material.
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hip hop Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
fat joe is like the don king of the terror squad nuff said even though he helped he also put his hand deep inside the pockets he also black balled most of his artist that left him hes not the only one that does this though
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Nightfall Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:17 am
I’ve heard quite a few of these “black balled” theories from folks and I’m always curious just HOW that happened? Cuz Triple Seis and Armadeggon have no beef with Joe.Things just didn’t pop off.
Remy complained and Cuban complained.Cuban’s issue was personal and Remy just ain’t that smart to me.Why was she riding with 50 then he never signed her.Joe was willing to let her go but 50 wasn’t interested, he just used her to get Joe mad.
I think A LOT more people in this situation are blaming the one guy that succeeded and not looking themselves in the mirror. Blame HAS to go both ways.
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Curtis75Black Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
A definite Co-sign. There are too many rappers that past away with affiliation with another person in the business, yet we don’t hear about their families. You don’t like Fat Joe, fine nut don’t say he didn’t feature on of the best on his 2nd opus and get him a record deal, having him the best selling Latin Emcee ever !! At a time like this, Joe shouldn’t be rhe only one called out – what happened to Pun’s Full of Clips crew in Triple Seis and Cuban Link ?
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August 5th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Liza get a fucking job. Pun’s been gone for what? 10 years? How long is bread supposed to last if you aren’t adding but subtracting?? This chick has never worked as far as I know. But Joe is supposed to keep giving her bread? Are you fucking kidding me???
That’s problem with rap shit..too many niggas just want handouts because they were AROUND when some shit popped off. SHe was his wife…she ain’t write no rhymes.
If she would’ve GOTTEN A JOB and had the extra bread from the albums she’d be straight. But if she wanted to trick off and hang out with no income coming in….then there it is. Puns shit don’t sell anymore so there is no bread for Joe to even have.
Sadly, she gets what she deserves.
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hip hop Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
you dont get it joe jerked pun out of his money and now his wife wants that back fcuk if she has a job or not whats rightfully hers and her families should be given to her yall need to really read a book or ask wendy day or go to 5 towns college or something to know this is a shady business how you think puff got biggies publishing but bigs moms mad sure her son was straight just like liza should
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August 5th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Rappers need to take responsibility for their own kids, in life & death. Get some health insurance coverage too.
I remember Memphis Bleek talking about Jay covering Memphis’s brother, medical bills after a bad spill in Miami. I thought to myself, Diamonds, Big Cars, Nice House, no health insurance? WTF!!!
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August 6th, 2009 at 12:07 am
FUCK FAT JOE!
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August 6th, 2009 at 1:19 am
“Rios says that she received $160k in royalties from her late husband’s music”
some families never see this much dough and still find a way to dodge the shelter system.
Feel for the children, but the Moms needs to show her children how to rise up.
(Now I will watch the clip)
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August 6th, 2009 at 1:28 am
The best part of the interview was the no Pun no Drama, Pun Drama, Pun
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August 6th, 2009 at 3:31 am
Honestly, she gotta pull herself up. She shouldn’t be here in 2009, still mad at Joe and expecting to be looked out for. Pun passed 10 years ago, and true, there’s a lot of people who prob’ly never lived up to all that “I’ma look out for you & the kids” talk when his death was still fresh. But to get to this point without taking some form of measure to help her own family is just a result of getting comfortable while Pun was out there. I feel for her, but there’s not a lot of Pun merch or music selling these days, so the Big Pun paydays are over, mama.
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August 6th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Breakin down the math…..
Not sure if anyones checked this but combat jack breaks it on down….
http://daily-math.com/weblog/?p=1033#more-1033
Not a lot plus nothing equals not a lot…
For all the smart dumb cats word…
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August 6th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Look i aint a Fat Joe Fan or follower, but how is joe foul? Puns Wife recieved whole advance of the Endangered Species album and the total advance from the publishing company that was due to Big Pun. so lets say 160k plus and she has nothing to show for it? And her excuse is mortgage payments and child support…lol you have to be kidding me. She got the money got crazy with it…figured this is gonna last forever and then the well dried up. Joe did his part. Now if he didnt want to give up what he did…then i would say hes a shady dude. She needs to get up, get out, and do something (get a job)
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August 6th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Clearly everyone is going to have their own views on this until paperwork is made public as to what was and wasn’t received and given.
And even still it’s going to be very hard to explain how WHATEVER monies were wasted like that.
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August 6th, 2009 at 10:35 am
That 160K in royalties actually sounds about right. Pun’s catalogue is NOT brining in seus dough. If you think it is you’re an idiot and you have no clue about the music business. Pun WAS around for his biggest success. Unfortunately he probably pissed away most of that money w/o setting up any investmebts or anything. Then he dies and his second album comes out. Joe says she got the advance for that. Do yall know what an advance is? It’s exactly what it sounds like…AN ADVANCE. Which means I’ma give you a portion of the profuts you MIGHT make when your album drops and you start bringing in money. God forbid your album flops then you’re already in the hole. Obviously this isn’t the case with this situation. But if def could be what happened with the next album. Not to mention he was signed to a multi-album deal contract that he never fulfilled. His estate probably owes money. Record deals are essentially just investments made by people with money. They’re giving up money in hopes of turning a profit. If no profit is made you gotta pay that shit back. Most artist can’t afford to that so the labels take it from YOUR profit. Meaning when you make money THEY get it instead of YOU until they are paid in full.
And we aint even mentioning lawyers, managers etc. Pun was signed to Terror Squad/Loud. That’s two checks he has to cut before he even gets a crumb. Then he has lawyers and managers who also have to get paid. This is why I believe his widow has actually gotten what was coming. Do you really think Pun was sitting on mils in that little raggedy ass brownstone they were in when he was beating her?
In all honesty most rappers are NOT intelligent. They have no idea the weight of the contracts they sign. Why do yall think Pun was exempt? I seriously think that well has dried up. Aint no money coming in to give. And you know his widow can’t comprehend this shit. All she know is he died and she thinks she deserve a certain lifestyle rather than monies he earned.
Ask Ms. Wallace, Afeni Shakur, The Priesley Family and the Jackson Family about how this shit works. These were all artist who were very succesful and barely are getting anything from their dead familt members estate. The money is in the catalogue. If you can’t make money off of that you will NOT eat in this game. Why you think Pac and Big stay releasing albums? They try to sell us the same 13 Big songs every 5 years. Not to keep his legacy going but to bring in income.
It’s bigger than you think…
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August 6th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Let’s be honest here…if anyone knows anything about the industry, they know that album sells aren’t the main source of income. Pun went platinum, but wasn’t alive to get ANY show money, which is artist really get fed off of. Plus, there are several other people besides the artist that have to get paid like the producers, the lawyers, THE LABEL, the managers, “IRS”, etc. A lot of times, artist family’s are guilty of thinking…oh well we’re rich now, we’ll never have to work again! If you look throughout the industry, see how many artist still have mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters still working regular jobs.
I look at it this way…The lady was given a bunch of money up front and planned poorly with it. She didn’t understand that she was going to need a plan and funds for the future. It’s not Joe’s responsibility to fully take care HER. If I’m HIM, I’m thinking…Yo, it’s been years, she had to have known she was gonna need some income from somewhere else. Plus, hands down, that’s like a chick asking a dude for a handout after she’s been taking him to court for child support for years…she broke the “will you help me out” lines when she started taking him to court.
I feel for the kids, but I blame the mother…hands down!
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SUPAMAN Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
word
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August 6th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
….I’ll try to think of another lyric, which I’m terrible at by the way…
“Oh, can’t forget my man down in Maryland
E’s gone ’til November, how can I not remember?
Tell your moms I’m there for her and Tiembra
And your son too – there’s nothin I won’t do”
-Jay, Momma Loves Me
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August 6th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
If he waking up kids to watch them fight(abuse) eachother, and the kids start bleedin and they dont wanna do it, but he keep makin them do….let that fat fuckin puerto rican go burn in hell.
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August 7th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
And people forget, Fat Joe didn’t blow up until AFTER Pun died. Pun used to have all the crossover hip hop/rap hits & Joe was strickly street (drugs, guns, etc.). After he passed away Joe picked up where Pun left off with the Ja Rule, R. Kelly tracks & so on. I always said if Pun didn’t die Joe would have never got his shot.
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L Reply:
August 18th, 2009 at 11:00 am
i disagree, joe has had a few hits without even mentioning pun.When they first started out, i had mad interest in both rappers, but pun just stole it with his classic 1st album.that was a masterpiece and probably the last real decent hiphop album
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