Wed 23 Apr 2008
Oh boy….the backlash has begun: a Jay Electronica-Cool Kids diss track?
Posted by Miss Info under beef , hmmm....? , new music[28] Comments
So Young Sav sent me this song by Mazzi of Soul Purpose “going at” Jay Electronica and the Cool Kids. Which is all good, I mean, dissent is the spice of life.
But…uh…
aside from the fact that they’ve both been in Urb magazine….what do Jay Electronica and The Cool Kids have to do with each other? I don’t get it.
I can see folks getting aggy about Jay’s media attention. Or the Cool Kids anklehugging jeans. But, what’s the connection between the two? Is it a hipster-rap backlash?
S.O.U.L Purpose’s “Lesson A”:
UPDATE: I asked for a little more clarity on Mazzi’s criticism of Jay E and The Cool Kids, and this is what he sent. Whether I agree or not, I appreciate that he took the time to expand : )
“Basically, the commercial scene is set up for pop gimmicky culture…while the so called “underground” is the breeding area for raw creativity…NOT GIMMICKS!!!
Jay Electronica (Hipster Hop hero)needs to chill & harness his shit before steppin’ up w/ a “holy-er than thou” attitude… Killah Priest & MF Doom did all that already… Dude ain’t reinventing the wheel…& “different” doesn’t always mean better… He ain’t no alien…LOL!
The Cool Kids (Hipster Hop heroes aswell)?! Where do I begin?! Aside from their 1/2 ass rhymes, & “I’m trying too hard” subject matter, it’s quite obvious that they have GIMMICK written all over them! They took a golden cherished era, put it through a ringer, warped it, twisted it, & call it their own?! They had the nerve to say they were original! Ninja PLEASE! They not even flippin’ it right! They woulda’ been herbs back in the day (as they are now)! First Chuck Inglish is from Chicago…then Detroit… Which one is it bro??? Those tite jeans on that other dude gotta go too!
Look, it’s expected of Hurricane Chris or some one of that genre to be on that gimmick shit but not what we dub real/underground/true school Hip Hop… Let that be! No tools! No posers! No herbs! No space alien rappers who really ain’t on it like that! No little kids tryna’ live out an era they are only partly up on!
Shout out to Fresh Daily & his crew… They’re from NY & they have been able to capture that vintage Hip Hop era the correct way!”
UPDATE: click more to view the video for “Lesson A”
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:33 am
Translation I was looking to get some free publicity from all the hip hop blogs so I decided instead of just making hot music I diss nigga’s who are. I am so sick of rappers trying to make a name for themselves on the next nigga if your not feeling them that’s fine but why should I give a fuck what Mazzi thinks is hot.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 am
@raheem…i agree…I mean, I can see dissing certain trends that you feel morally opposed to. But if you dont actually have anything against someone, it can smell like a stunt.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 2:23 am
The stuff about Jay sounds like envy and that’s that.
He’d have more of an argument going only at the cool kids since they are a gimmick without a doubt – they just happen to do it well.
But as somebody who lives in williamsburg – those tight-ass pants need to go!
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April 23rd, 2008 at 5:13 am
terrible diss track…info, did you see mikey’s “response” on nahright?…basically, Mazzi’s a joke…he’s probably lookin for some fitted levi’s right now…
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April 23rd, 2008 at 5:58 am
yeah this is just pointless
jay and CK are doing there own thing
doing them….and they manage to do it witout some lame ass diss….all 3 haven’t even “Made it” yet lmao…pointless
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April 23rd, 2008 at 9:36 am
Sideshow,
It’s healthy for Hip Hop. Many people see CK & JE in that light. S.O.U.L. Purpose happens to be one of the voices of that consensus… 2 examples: KRS didn’t like what Shan said so he went at him! At the time he was fairly new. & Kool Moe Dee didn’t like what Busy Bee was doing & how he was rockin’ his shows, parties, & what not so he went at him. That’s Hip Hop! & before you jump to conclusions, you should check S.O.U.L. Purpose’s music… It is quality. Plus they give back to the community.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
I agree with SENSE.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 3:31 pm
so i guess Jay Electronica and The Cool Kids are officially on now that they got haters smh this is just like when Pharrell’s skate team dissed Lupe for make a hit skateboard song
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April 23rd, 2008 at 3:39 pm
yeah i don’t see why everyone seems to be confused. its all good when 50 and fat joe trade ridiculous barbs about each other, but Mazzi sounds like he’s really wanting to keep the underground pure. you guys question his motives, but many question the motives of the cool kids and jay electronica. props to him for even broaching the subject!
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April 23rd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
my whole thing is…who asked HIM?! lol…i know it’s a pretty crappy way to think, but he hasn’t done much of anything on any level to even have any kind of opinion…
and besides, Jay Electronica would pretty much stomp a verbal mudhole in the guy…
concerning the Cool Kids, it’s kind of a tough call, because they’re tightrope the hell out of the thin line that seperates a breath of fresh air and a gimmick. i actually dig what they do…i KNOW they’re not the gatekeepers to the golden era or anything, which is why i’m really not to disturbed by them. ‘black mags’ was dope to me, while some of the other stuff was so-so….but this guy should just shut his mouth and quit rapping over tired-ass Lenny Williams samples.
in closing, Miss Info get your keester back to Mogulus please, thanks.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 4:29 pm
oh and i don’t get a ‘holier than thou’ anything when I hear Jay Electronica, he just does his own thing, no matter how far out it may seem lol…
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April 23rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
@sport…lol, true true. as for mogulus, I am seriously on a mogulus self-enforced ban until I get some of my outside work done. Just mentioned that there’s been some technical issues with his room?
But by the way, if I can figure out how to broadcast a videochat on mogulus, I’d do a chat with the Ego Trip guys on friday…any ideas?
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April 23rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
truth be told, mazzi makes alot of sense and puts forth valid arguments, although his intention is questionable.. I agree wit Mazzi 1000 percent.. with that said, Mazzi’s song sucks ass and he isnt spitting anything worth typin 50 words on a blog about.. so in the end, jay electro gotta chill wit the holier than thou attitude/chip on the shoulder, cool kids is ankle-huggin denim wearin herbs who really aint bringing nuttin original to the game and might as well be on nick jr wit they ish, and Mazz is basura on the mic and should start his own blog and type out his feelings rather than try and translate them on the mic.. back to your regularly scheduled prgramming..
*Info what the hell is up wit the mog chat??
is it over?
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April 23rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Mazzi is corny for this…. Publicity rap is so passe……
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April 23rd, 2008 at 4:37 pm
@almighty, lol….dang! the pressure!
No its not over but between staying up all night chatting about food in my room and watching Just singing with a wig on in his room, I was getting no work done and no sleep either.
So I gotta get some stuff done, and then I can go back to Mog. But there is a broadcast I’d like to do with my homies from Ego Trip. Just not sure how.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 5:00 pm
$port whats crackin? yea your man Jay Electro has lyrics but really hasn’t proven that he can make a structured song yet so I think he has alot to prove.. Trust me I been following him for a minute now and initially found his stuff refreshing and different but he hasnt evolved since or has yet to display an ability to harness that creativity.. (the nokia performance didn’t help him either imo..) The cool kids make some catchy songs, but that don’t say much (see mims, souljah boy, etc..) they got they angle and the runnin wit it.. i kinda feel like theres a place for everything so long as its quality.. Mazzi really didnt display to me like he deserves a place in any category.. even if what he was sayin kinda made some sense..
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April 23rd, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I agree wit his peeve 100%…..These kids are blown up because of tastemakers who have pushed them further…both are highly average and are aiiight….The dis was aiight as well…..You want some up and comers from that underground scene check these kids “Invizzibl Men” video -http://videos.onsmash.com/v/uabmrBjyZxDLf7Dfjust raw Hiphop but they aint got no cosigner that everybody jocks and dickrides to say whats hot to blow em up…………sheesh remember when Hiphop was about discovering something fresh and new on your own and being proud to be the first one up on something new……Now it’s “well Questlove says it’s hot” or “Kanye likes it” or Erykah Badu is cosigning…….I have more respect for the artists who scrape up on their own than the supposed “next” thing that people try to program you to like….that goes for underground and mainstream. I still root for the underdog and remember when I first heard MF Doom in 98′ or Cannibal Ox in 99 before they were the “IT” men in the underground……………I liked those artists on my own without having to make sure someone else liked them first.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 5:09 pm
ayo i still don’t know who jay electronica or the cool kids are.i must not be hip!
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April 23rd, 2008 at 5:22 pm
“water”
always
finds its level.
“水”
常に
そのレベルで検出します。
“Wasser”
immer
findet seine Ebene.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 5:56 pm
I fucks with it. “take off that keffiyeh!” The attitude nowadays is like “why should I respond what’s in it for me”… so lame… Mazzi’s been in it for a minute, definitely agree with what he’s saying as far as trend-hop and these kind of “annointed” rappers, made by lifestyle magazines… I mean you know I barely pay attention to this half a scene of a shell of a former scene these days but I had to chuckle when I see kids walking down the street with ropes, neon colorways, high top fades, tight jeans… looking corny as hell and weren’t around to actually see how to do it right. It is what it is. As far as whether or not he’s got a right I mean this is hip-hop, I’ve been to a lot of these lame parties where acts like this perform and hip-hop it definitely is NOT… sometimes I wonder where these dudes came from haha. Mazzi’s been down, if you don’t know ask someone or maybe you’re one of these brand new cats yourself! lol… ONE
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April 23rd, 2008 at 6:05 pm
@ Miss Info: there were some problems, but it seems like it may have been worked out or not…i don’t know, mines acts fine…but yeah, get your work done and then hurry back lol..
@ almighty: whatup man? concerning Jay Electronica’s rough edge’s: the guy has Just Blaze in his corner 100%, and there’s not many better grades of sandpaper than that, so watch out.
concerning this Mazzi guy, i look at it like this: one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter…i mean i don’t care for the guy’s position because i think it makes him sound like a mad rapper, but then there’s a couple people who agree, so whatever…it all has a place i guess…
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April 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pm
S.O.U.L. Purpose “The Way We Live” Music Video
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April 23rd, 2008 at 7:24 pm
“Vintage Hip Hop sound?” Come on, man. What the fuck.
Let’s PROGRESS and not REGRESS for a change. God damn.
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April 25th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
This song was impossible to listen to all the way. People who are “the underground” and talk about “purity” are too much for me. Is it 2001? Maintaining “purity” in the “underground” is about the crappiest “gimmick” I can think of.
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April 28th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
lol .. I can’t believe he made a video to it too.. pure comedy..
diss tracks are the most entertaining..
without a doubt..
just wack if it escalates to something else..
lets see if this makes smack or beef..
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April 29th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Im not a sneakerhead rapper backpacker with a gimmick or a hip hop hipster bitting of mr. lupe touche’ you all g@y, either all jerkin of Pharrell or sucking Kanye….Jay Waters. yo Jay Electro is the truth and 2 be spittin like that from the “south” nice. Cool Kittens are just wack. Shout out 2 Fly.Union, Tanya Morgan, Little Brother, Blu, Pac Div, Guilty Simpson. its 2008 not 1988 let progress people. RIP Sean Bell.
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April 29th, 2008 at 2:20 am
Cool kittens are gimmick… Jay El. is the Nas of the “south”. Jay is just a dope emcee hands down..all this sneaker rap hipster crap is wack…..try Blu, tanya morgan, little Brother (go North Cack), Pac Div(RAW), Guilty Simpson, Median(GO NC), KAy of the foundation, Fly Union(YAll are dope..without the Neptunes styles tracks), Ike Turnah(NC), just a few 2 research on yall time off….but word up this trend rap needs to stop…enjoy the music….its 2008 not 1988 not 1994…lets progress with true lyrics please..one love RIP Sean Bell..Dilla Lives!
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April 30th, 2008 at 8:13 am
This mazzie dude is definitely the pot with a lotta kettle talk…
is this tomfoolery not a gimmick??? what part of the game is this????
he’s doing entirely too much.
get on off your own merit and don’t use GIMMICKS like ‘hip hop service announcements’.
boooooo…..
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