On the latest episode of A Waste of Time with ItsTheReal, Eric and Jeff Rosenthal welcome Dreamville President and J. Cole’s manager, Ibrahim “Ib” Hamad. In an incredible two-hour interview, Ib walks us through his journey with Cole — from meeting him at St. John’s to working together at a debt collection agency to selling copies of The Come Up for $1 at North Carolina A&T (which is where “dollar and a dream” started) to signing with JAY-Z and eventually building their own Dreamville empire.

All that plus stories about being invited to 50 Cent’s Connecticut mansion (50 passed on signing J. Cole because “he sound like one of them tight jean-wearing homies”), Cole stepping in dog shit on his way to meet Hov for the first time, and how he and Cole dissuaded Kendrick Lamar from doing a single with Lady Gaga. This is a must-listen for any Dreamville fan.

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