Fri 4 Sep 2009
Hindsight is fascinating: Jay-Z in XXL, on the innerworkings of him and Dame, Kanye’s deal, Neyo and more
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Lowkey posted on BET’s Soundoff blog yet another clip from Bonsu’s XXL Jay-Z coverstory…and honestly, this is the most interesting clip yet (previously Jay on competition/beef, and Jay on Jay) ….mainly because I love learning more from the many sides involved about the whatwhowherewhywhen of those Rocafella glory days.
Jay-Z on not receiving credit for Kanye West, Ne-Yo, Rihanna & Young Jeezy..
“Let’s first clear this thing about Dame and Kanye and all of us. We all had a conversation about Kanye and whether to sign him. No one knew what would become of Kanye. Not Dame, not me not Biggs. So we all sat down and said, “Let’s at least sign so we can keep the tracks in-house. It’s only good business.” And Dame said, “We can put Beans and Cam, surround him and make this type of album.” I wasn’t saying don’t sign Kanye, I was saying, at least keep the beats in-house, if anything. I don know. Maybe, maybe not. Let’s keep him here. Dame came up with the idea of surrounding him with Roc-A-Fella artists on his album, which never came out, ’cause when the album came in, everyone was like, “Oh this is good.” He stood on his own. If anything, I should be credited for wanting to sign him for his tracks. So even if Dame did sign him, he was gone at that time. I engineered those album. In my years there, even if Tina Davis signed Ne-Yo, she was gone. They were gonna drop Ne-Yo until Ty-Ty [Tyran Smith; former Def Jam VP of A&R] put his hand up and said, “I’ll do that project”.” So there’s no Ne-Yo if I’m not there. I scrapped on of his videos that no one knows about, pulled Hype Williams, pulled June Ambrose, my stylist, made the “So Sick” video, and he’s outta here. Rihanna, there’s just no getting around that…”
More after the jump…
Jay-Z on the business mindset of Dame Dash…
“I don’t want people to take this wrong, but if that’s my opinion. that’s my opinion. Dame is good at starting something. I don’t know if he gets in his own way at a certain point. You know, the fights you had coming up aren’t the same fights when you’re on a different level. What would happen is, a lot of times, I would have to go fix. You know, it was time-consuming, going back and just doing three meetings, when we could have had one. Nothing got accomplished, because everyone was screaming at each other. It got to a point…..John Meneilly (Jay’s manager) is not even the same type of thing.”
note: the best thing about hindsight, is not that you see clearer….its that you no longer care as much about sugercoating things.
last week, there was a clip of my old friend Bobby Dash talking about Rocafella as well….
fyi: bobby has always been a very nice to me, down to earth….he’s been around for years and has seen many things, lol….I wonder what happened to the Dash’s cousin, Darren, who was a tech mogul in the 90s.

September 4th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I hate how this camel tries to take credit for every fucking thing. His head is so big. I think he needs to get off his own dick. If Dame wasn’t there Kanye wouldn’t have had any Roc affiliation…He probably wouldn’t even be around today if Dame didn’t sign him. The camel only jumped dick when Kanye blew up. If Kanye didn’t become anything he would have blamed it all on Dame, and left the ship.
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binary star Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
I would have thought this was Prodigy if it was in all caps and said something about the Illuminati.
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Evil_D Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Yeah, you really are just a hater.I doubt you comprehended anything in that short excerpt from the article.Your hate for Jay blinds you, so instead of making a valid point, you just spew venom, make assumptions, and ramble off nonsense.How sad…
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S-Co Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Kanye would be here cause he said prior to that he almost signed to Jive
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hip hop Reply:
September 5th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
you sound mad dame dash !
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jaz Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
jay-z has jus put down a new album with kenan and kel
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September 4th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Gud to hear another side of the story….
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September 4th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
The more he talks the worst he sounds!! Does he not know that? JAY-Z IS HAVING THE BEST WEEK EVEER!
There is no question in my mind that Dame’s brother is right when he says this was all about money and Sean’s desire to be respected in other circles!! He sold his soul..
Dame and Biggs weren’t just business partners am I the only one who sees it that way? If there is 60-million to be split and I get to split that with my brothers who I made it with, why the fuck do I care?
Apple and Chris Martin wasn’t there when people were laughing at him and Dame was going door to door trying to sell him…
We have no clue who Jay-Z is because all of his life he’s been a chameleon and has managed assumed the role of everyone who he’s been around and now its Kanye’s turn to add a chapter to the character known as Jay-Z. This man has no character or self identity and when he tried to be him he looked like Urkel for 2yrs.. I feel so bad for Beyonce because I promise at 50yrs of age Jay-Z will drop an album! To set the new cool… fuck’n lame!
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mr_wayne Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
When people read what you typed they’ll either say “Jay-Z was evolving with the times” or they’ll say what I’m about to say which is, I feel where you’re coming from on this.
When Jay-Z first came into the game he was a nerd of sorts. Were talking pre-Reasonable Doubt. Big homies put him on to a different persona.
Fast forward to today and he’s got a bit of Kanye in him (no homo).
I can definitely see where one may develop that assumption. The Blueprint 3 (that has been leaked) sounds like a bad Kanye West attempt.
IMHO
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big Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
You know I just couldn’t read the foolishness!! After a few lines of love for his holiness I had to chalk it up as a group of “LOST ONES”
Dude has no soul!! He didn’t sell it to the devil he sold it to the DOLLAR!!
Lets look at his CAREER if thats what you’d like to call it…
Reasonable Doubt equals Illmatic 2.0 because I guess being Nas was what he thought would get him respect..
After that it was the Biggie “Flow” Sean Carter bad boy party music style Jacker with a lot of stolen pieces from guys like DMX and others to come off as having a life or heart that only lasted but so long and…
Now from 2001 the next chapter of his career has been the Kanye West era of this character Jay-Z with no better evidence then his last 4 albums… He’s doing a poor mans Kanye West right now..
SO WHO THE FUCK IS HE?
That nigga more of a white bitch than Michael Jackson ever way (RIP) At least by all account Mike was a real dude does Sean even know who he is?
BP3 is a Kanye West album with no substance, below avg word play, and some witty one-liners… Nothing more! He famously once said he can do 5 more albums off memory alone but whose memory’s were he talking about?
THE NIGGA AINT THAT NICE, NOT THE BEST ALL TIME NOT THE BEST OF HIS FUCKING ERA GET OVER IT!! HE’S NOTHING MORE THAN FAKE SWAGGER WRAPPED AROUND GOOD PRODUCTION!!
Its like the great sports debates of generation.. I wonder how good Babe Ruth would have been with new school training methods.. Well I wonder how much better Big Daddy Kane would have sounded with the best years of Kanye Beats or Timberland Beats or Jus Blaze Beats or Justice League….You probably still dont get it…
And I dont care SON OVERRATED FRAUD THE END!!
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MR GREASE Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Damn? Is Blueprint 3 a bad attempt at a Kanye album?
Oh wait.
Track 1:What We Talkin’ About” (feat. Luke Steele) PRODUCED BY Kanye West, No I.D.
2. “Thank You” PRODUCED BY Kanye West, No I.D.
4. “Run This Town” (feat. Rihanna and Kanye West) PRODUCED by Kanye West, No I.D.
9. “A Star Is Born” (feat. J. Cole) PRODUCED by Kanye West, No I.D.
11. “Already Home” (feat. Kid Cudi)Produced by Kanye West.
15. “Young Forever” (feat. Mr Hudson)Produced by Kanye West
12. “Hate” (feat. Kanye West)Produced by Kanye West
So Jay-Z is trying to be like Kanye? Wait till Kanye West finds out, i’ve seen him get mad at photographers, Jay Z better be scarrrrd. But wait…Kanye is on the album, so should Kanye not sound like Kanye on BP3? Kanye is on this album because they make great music together. Or should Jay Z buy protools and fruity loops and produce his own beats?
MR GREASE Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 9:57 am
When producers like the Neptunes, The Runners, Timberland, Just Blaze, Dr.Dre, Scott Storch, Swizz Beatz are in that zone making that hot music every rapper tries to get a hold of them.
Now not every rapper will be succesful. All these producers will drop whatever project they are working on to work with Jay Z, because creatively it works in their favor and thats what the people want.
Whenever a new artist emerges they want Jay on their track, i.e Drake.
I don’t see what the problem is. Whenever Jay spits I don’t confuse him with anyone.
Now that Byrd Gang dude Mel Matrix does kinda sound like Hov until you hear the lyrical content and know that ain’t young H.O!!
Jay should be ashamed of himself right, he always gets the best producers, best rappers to work with him to make great music, we should hate that right??? Because we don’t like great music?
Evil_D Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Everyone has the right to their own opinion, but that doesn’t mean all opinions are good ones.When human beings use phrases like “He sold his soul” and “he is soulless” it shows a lack of knowledge and an embrace of ignorance.How does one go about selling his soul? Who is he selling it to?In the story I have read, and the movies I have seen, the only person someone can truly sell their soul to is the devil? So are you saying Jay sold his soul to the devil? And if so, do you have first hand knowledge of this transaction that can support your claim (proof)?.If you find those questions ridiculous, then you should think about how stupid it to say someone “sold their soul”.
*Sigh*
How I hate the usage of Weasel words,hearsay, and cliches.
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MR GREASE Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
He sold his soul? Is that what you call doing business?
“If there is 60-million to be split and I get to split that with my brothers who I made it with, why the fuck do I care?” Because nothing lasts forever…..I’m sure there were disagreements with the direction the company was heading to and that caused the break up for everyone to do their own thing.
Dog YOU HAVE NO CLUE On who Jay Z is….I bet you don’t even know why you hate him, its slightly pathetic.
Jay Z is a dude who came from the bottom of the bottom to top of the top, London, Japan and Jay Z is straight off the block.
Jay is just a business man in the entertainment business doing what is best for his career, he’s not Santa Clause who should grant everyones wishes. All these people who claim to be hustlers crying out for handouts, they weren’t shot changed Dame walked away with 10’s of millions is it Jay’s fault the money is gone?
Everbody ate off of Roc-A-Fella until the business relationship turned sour. Why do people still cry over this it’s ridiculous!!!
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MR GREASE Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
1.When Hurricane Katrina hit? Sean “Diddy” Combs and Jay-Z pledged $1 million to the American Red Cross to help victims of Hurricane Katrina.
2.When Obama started his campaign Jay Z got involved and made people register to vote and take responsibility for their future. DMX take on things was…”What is a Barack, you mean to tell me his parents named him Barack Obama? what type of name is that?” Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Minority report, Jay was like Young Vito Corleone
3.Jay went to Africa and raised awareness for a water crisis. Where were the rest of these other rappers at? In a strip club somewhere making it rain perhaps and calling him a camel.
4.In other news Music tycoon Shawn “JAY-Z” Carter and NBA All Star LeBron James made an appearance at a Mesa charter school, where they donated 150 musical instruments. The two superstars were at the Mesa Arts Academy, where more than 200 students met and interacted with and even perform for the celebrity duo, who were working in partnership with Sprite Green, the sponsor of the event. The pair also signed a donated piano, which will permanently stay in the school’s auditorium.
WHERE WAS DMX???? Being arrested for stupidity and doing drugs. Making himself look stupid and being a dissapointment to his wife and kids. Think people.
Every rapper from LL, DMX, Cam’ron to whoever all these people keep talking about what Jay should have could have would have done? In the words of JFK,”A man does what he must — in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers, and pressures — and that is the basis of all human morality.”
Anyway for all you confused, haters, y’all need to seek rehabilitation from…..
http://www.blackplanet.com/iwill_not_lose/
so that y’all to can be winners and not losers!!
There’s a section, for Personal Growth, Health & Human Services, Education, Sister & Brother Empowerment, Aspiring Artist, Community Outreach and an Environmental section.
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MR GREASE Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Oh I almost forgot, the soul-less Jay-Z is planning a benefit concert for September 11th in New York, and says it is a step in the direction his career — and life — is headed.
The performance will take place at New York’s Madison Square Garden and air live on Fuse TV. Proceeds from the concert will be donated to the New York Police and Fire Widows’ and Children’s Benefit Fund. The show is expected to raise anywhere from $750,000 to $1 million.
Damn he’s such a monster.LOL!!!
Now would I buy a crack addicts music so that the royalties could be spent on crack or Jay z someone helping the world be a better place, yes, the world!
rrahha Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 7:37 am
it’s good promo….
YouNG FReSH2D Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
rrahha Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 7:37 am
it’s good promo….?? Are you saying Jay Z is responsible for Hurricane Katrina?
MzBrittanyLUVZ THIS COMMENT! ^^^^ Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WOW!
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hip hop Reply:
September 5th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Good thing the Rolling Stones dont have to worry about people like you . Do your home work
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big Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Sean Carter is a decent writer borderline plagiarist, the end… wait he dont write scratch that!
Is he the best all time?
NO!
Is he the best of his fucking era??
NO!
Lets review.O but lets be clear volume of material dont guarantee your spot at the top just your ability to get more than one attempt.. Back to the topic..Greatest of All Time Kane, KRS ONE, MOE DEE, AND LL COOL J HE DOESN’T MAKE MY TOP 15 ALL TIME SO HE DAMN SURE CANT BE THE BE THE BEST ALL TIME!!
BEST OF HIS ERA MINUS BIG AND PAC.. LETS SEE #1 Eminem #2 Nas argue that? And I would love to count Slim Shady money if thats what you terds will reduce this to.
He’s not some great business man he studied Dame for 10yrs and then stole his work and vision after he thought there was nothing more he could get from him.. he’s a loser!!
But we are success worshipers and he has that.. Hows that saying go, history isn’t recorded by the soldiers but the guy who lived long enough to tell the stories! Sean Carter just hopes to out live pout memories…Good Luck!!
Hitlers charity was his “youth program” it even produced the Pope should we site that as a sign of his greatness.. And no Sean didn’t gas anyone but I’m sure there are those who wouldn’t see him as being any better!
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MR GREASE Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Bill Maher just gave Jay Z his book of rhymes, how many pages do you think that was?
1996 Reasonable Doubt— RIAA Certification: Platinum
1997 In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 RIAA Certification: Platinum
1998 Vol. 2… Hard Knock Life RIAA Certification: 5x Platinum
1999 Vol. 3… Life and Times of S. Carter :RIAA Certification: 3x Platinum
2000 The Dynasty: Roc La Familia :RIAA Certification: 2x Platinum
2001 The Blueprint
Released: September 11, 2001:RIAA Certification: 2x Platinum
2002 The Blueprint²: The Gift & the Curse:RIAA Certification: 3x Platinum
2003 The Black Album RIAA Certification: 3x Platinum
2006 Kingdom Come :RIAA Certification: 2x Platinum
2007 American Gangster
Released:RIAA Certification: Platinum
2009 The Blueprint 3:Roc Nation/Atlantic Records
HATERS GET READY……
Don’t forget………
2002 The Best of Both Worlds (with R. Kelly)
RIAA certification: Platinum
2004 Unfinished Business (with R. Kelly) RIAA certification: Platinum
NOW IF JAY-Z WAS COPYING PLAIGIRISING OR WHATEVER? WHERE’S THE LAW SUITS.
THESE ARE HOURS UPON HOURS OF MUSIC, ALL THEY COULD DO IS FIND A 10MIN CLIP OF JAY-Z USING OTHER PEOPLES LINES…..
If I remember correctly it was, the ref/then Jay’s rap so cut that down to 5min. This was what Cam’ron accused Jay Z of doing, however the streets ain’t stupid, how many of the Diplomats stole from Jay Z:
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riuNQ-XrC7A
Part2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OalfWs8NOLg
If Jay Z studied Dame??? EXPLAIN THIS???
Dash sold his stake in Rocawear for $30 million to former partner, Shawn “Jay-Z” Carter…..
Jay-Z sold the rights to the Rocawear brand to Iconix Brand Group, for $204 million. Jay-Z will retain his stake in the company and will continue to oversee the marketing, licensing and product development. LOL!!!!!!!!
Dash sold his interest in Roc-A-Fella to parent company Island Def Jam Records for $10 million. Jay Z does a live nation deal for $150 Milllion dollars. Who should study who? Add that to the $30Mil Jay gave him? Where did all the money go to, what does Jay Z owe Dame?
big Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
None of that bullshit you created makes him the best rapper all time or of his era so not sure what the point of that was…
Also, Read what I wrote again stop [edit] licking and maybe you’ll learn something…
All of those album sales numbers you posted were inflated did you change them on his wiki page then post them?
MR GREASE Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Eminem is a dope lyricist, will murder any track however the thing that prevents him for taking that number one spot is….not because he’s white but the subject matter and content of his lyrics.
We as black people have the utmost respect for our Mom’s and ain’t about to give all the abuse Em aimed at his Mom’s a cosign!!!! Never!!!!
Stan’s a hot track but its about homosexuality and obsession, and nowadays stan has become a slang amongst dumb mofo’s, bandwagon dudes with no intelligence.
Heard Relapse? What was great about it? It’s Eminem’s weakest album to date.
Hip-hop rappers/ street culture/ hustlers pride themselves on being drug pushers( That’s that Curtis Mayfield slang) not coke sniffers or drug abusers. Rapping about going to rehab no matter how dope you do it, I can’t relate.
I relate to Jay Z, he raps about getting that money and he is getting it, when rappers were accused of showing off but in real life being broke well Jay Z, 50, Diddy, Nelly, e.t.c are the rebuttal.
Hip-hop came from the streets of southside bronx who do you think people relate to Jay or Em? That being said Em is still competition because he made “Lose Yourself”& “renegade”.
Nas ain’t on top of his game even he knows that, let dude go through the divorce and see what young Esco got cookin.
Jay is in that zone so he’s the best out! Period.
Jay has been the hustler’s poster child for the longest. This ain’t an argument about what if? So and so would have had this production, its about what it is.!!!
MR GREASE Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Oh and to address the other funny sh!t, Apple and Chris Martin not being there when Jay & Dame were lookin for a deal…. ummmmm Dame Dash’s friends the spice girl Victoria Beckham (was face of Rocawear did a track with M.O.P & Cam’ron) weren’t there and neither was Jade Jagger. Dame’s baby mom’s ain’t black so keep the racial bs outta here!!!
Oh Dame was also the co-executive producer on most of Jay-Z’s albums.
Stop the insults and gay references too, your mad that Jay Z is married to Beyonce and ended his business relationship with Dame. so don’t go there, don’t do it to yourself.
The numbers are there too so, I hate to do this but Men lie Women lie numbers don’t. If your dissing Jay then your dissing Dame.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
QUESTION: Why didnt Jay-Z speak up before? Why is he just now saying this?
(Im no at all saying Jay-Z is lying, or this isnt the truth.)
But why now? I agree with Jay-Z and Kanye even said that on his Vh1 special. They didnt intend on releasing a Kanye project. Just like like they never released a Nicole Wray project, or that singer dude Rell never took off. The onyl reason Kanye was signed was to keep him happy as a producer. None of them were crazy about the idea of signing them, let alone releasing a project. Kanye West even said that. He had to fight and go hard just to get Dame and Jay-Z to believe in his projects. So I believe Jayz when he says this. However…why is he just now speaking on dame? He should have said this two years ago.
(I guess he just didnt want to give “them” any light, or give the people “hating” on him any acknowledgement. But this was long over due)
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FO Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
(I guess he didn’t want to give “them” any light, or give the people “hating” on him any acknowledgement
^^^^^
Exactly…and it seems like it worked imo….but I bet we”ll here from dame soon…
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hip hop Reply:
September 5th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
exactly west said many time they (jay/dame)were not behind him 100% on an album but the the jayz duck riders think other wise
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Nightfall914 Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Here’s my question to that.People say he “should have spoke on that 2 years.”….why? To satisfy us? Why should he have spoken on it?That wouldn’t have changed his environment any.
Take all the super status away from it and think on it as real people interactions. Just cuz others want answers for something they don’t know doesn’t you need to provide those answers before you want to…
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MzBrittanyLUVZ THIS COMMENT! ^^^^ Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Good Point…
So why speak now? To satisfy us? Same thing right? Why talk now. Cause he has an album out and an image that has gotten a little shaky he wants to save? Same thing right?
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MR GREASE Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 8:10 am
Jay is speaking on it now because he wants closure!!!
He doesn’t want to build Roc-Nation with old Roc-A-Fella questions being asked all the time.
Roc-Nations’s 1st Release is Blueprint 3. It’s the beginning of a new era, a new chapter in his life.
He’s already talkin about a follow up to BP3.
I think he’s just wants to start a fresh and take his career to the next level.
Nightfall914 Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 11:19 am
This is just a personal opinion. Yes if you put a product out you want it to succeed. BUT, I don’t think the Dame, Game, Jim talk matters. Those that hate Jay have hated him and will continue to do so. Those that like him will do the same. Jay I think is smart enough to know that sales suc across the board. He’s not converting anyone into a fan at this stage of the game.
There’s actually more freedom to do whatever he wants cuz his place is secure. More of his peers in the game support that. The angry internet might not like it but in the end…that really doesn’t matter. Jay didn;t reach his heights off the internet age, but rather the cd/tape buying crowds of the90’s-early 2000’s.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Good read and that Dash interview seems like some real talk, very balanced.
What I’m getting from all of this is that Jay-Z is like the “tough love (pause)” sort of boss that gives you what you need to start steps back and lets you get on with it and Dame was the “hold your hand (pause)” sort of boss that watches your every move to make sure you don’t F up.
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MR GREASE Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
True and you know putting yourself in a position where you have to hold somebody’s hand and spoon feed them for their rest of their lives is setting yourself up for disaster.
I mean even kids learn to do sh!t on their own and move out to find their own situation in the world, these so called hustlers want Jay-Z to nanny them and take them to potty everynow and again is pathetic.
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September 4th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
dude needs 2 shut up n let d guy talk..info show dis guyz how 2 conduct an interview
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September 4th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
The bottom line is no one believed in Kanye until they heard the album for the first time. I don’t know if people know this but he shot the “Through the Wire” video with 40,000 dollars of his own money with no label help. Unlike a lot of rappers(LL Cool J, DMX ext) who like the blame the label for not helping them Kanye did the shit without them. Nether Jay-Z nor Dame really deserve any credit.
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jaz Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
its true but I think jay-z prefers unsmoked gammon with raisins and english mustard.
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September 4th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Dame’s a sourpuss, stop complaining. “Ultimate Hustler” Just be happy you had a piece of Kanye.
Just found this new dude Prote-J and he’s going to have a similar problem because he’s a superstar producer and MC.
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September 4th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
info a couple months ago when i seen the jim jones na na video i lost all respect for him he commited carear suicide, blood gang guy 34 na na na i glad hov call’d him on that and jimmy cant say shit he fucked up when he shitted on cam now he’s just a dickhead… an i aint a hov fan either fuck him with this i run this town crap.jim jones is all done.
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September 4th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
sounds like jay is the chess player and dame was the checkers player.
in jays position i could see why he looked at dame as a liability. at the end of the day business is business, there shouldn’t be no hard feelings if everyone ate, its not a marriage where its death do u part. dame shoulda played a more low key part if it was inhibiting progress.
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September 4th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
5:00 into the Bobby Dash video he explains why Jay-Z should have never used the Cam VP position as one of the reasons for his [Jay-Z] departure.
I have an old Jay-Z Magazine interview where he states that it bothered him a lot and he thought Dash might be trying to push him [Jay-Z] out of Roc-A-Fella.
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September 4th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
THIS GUY SOUNDS LIKE HE’S KINDA HATIN ON JAY-Z. HE NEEDS TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF MORE ON THE DIVERSIFYING FUNDS, BUT NOT SPLITTIN UP THE FUNDS STORY.
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jaz Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
jay-z is gonna sign kenan and kel.
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September 4th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
So I just listened to BP3. I think it sounds way better as an album than those leaked songs do individually.
But it seems like a no-brainer that they should have led with Empire State of Mind.
And they really could have left this crap off the end…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7CuJ8cR9sg
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September 4th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
I gotta believe jay on this one. Dame was losing his mind signing anybody that can rap.Plus the dude was always sauced out his fucking skull. How can you have a serious business relationship when your parther is always drunk and wilding on people all the time? I can name a couple bad move dame made…
1.The signing of ODB (I love the man but he had no business being at rocafella. I seriously think dame gave him a deal. So he keep some money in pocket and feed his family. Cause at the time of that signing ODB just got out of jail and he was flat broke. Plus he was complaining about wu.)
2. The signing of nore (Another bad move on dame part. He just didn’t fit with the whole rocafella structure. I think dame was trying to double up with nore cause he was doing reaggton thing at that time. During the time when reaggton was fresh and new. People was eatting that shit up)
3.the signing of nicole wray (Did yall see that one horrible song she made…fuck outta here dame…enough said)
4. Making Cam’ron prez at rocafellla (Dame knew he was wrong for that. I understand Cam was your lil mans from back in the day. But this company wasn’t completely his to giving people high statue positions like that. I think that is the straw that broke the camel back literally . Jay was probably in london with Be shopping and heard that shit over the phone. Got pissed off and jumped on the first thing smoking back to the states. Remember jay did take a break from hip hop before the retirement talks.)
I feel what jay did with cuting off dame. Was a power move on his part. He didn’t want do it. But sometimes in life you got to let some people go. If they ain’t trying to make the same progess as you. Cut that nigga loose. Nothing ain’t meant to last forever and who told yall life was fair? Dame he is a grown ass man. He should save some of that bread and plus knew his place at that company.
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jaz Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
hmmm, some good issues u raised.going back to the second point you made about optimizing photosynthesis, im unsure if the custard is warm enough for miosis to occur in japan until cell diffusion has taken place in turkey.
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September 4th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
a coworker of mine’s went to college with barack obama and said they were cool and he passed him a cigarette once before…u think that means he gets credit for barack’s success? haha…shutup jay….
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jaz Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
what? YOU shut up.
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September 4th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Dame made millions too…. When the money grows, the friendship goes away, right jay. At the end of the day it’s all about money. Dame and jay let the money divide them. No matter how hostile dame got in a meeting, or who said sign kanye. They both let the money divide a true friendship they had.
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September 4th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
People will still find a reason to dislike Jay-z as a artist AND as a person which is really funny to me. Sometimes I wish people would return to just being fans and leave the personal, psychoanalytical, wannabe music insider stuff to the professionals. Just speak on the music…..
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September 4th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
I don’t even think that Jay really any did any of those guys dirty over at Def Jam though… Like I think the mentality of the hip-hop world when he became president was “Okay one of us is running it again..Now we can get our projects going”
But Jay REALLY made that transition to a business man right there…And he saw the truth..You can’t market a guy like Peedi Crakk, Freeway etc. outside of Philly…..Those guys should have made it with SP..But like Dash said when Sigel got locked up that was done…
Business!! It’s just business!!!
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September 4th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
ok so we know what Jay and Dame been up to, where’s Biggs?
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September 4th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Info you never answer my questions!
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September 4th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
WOOOWWWW….this dude is really taking credit for Ne-Yo and Rhianna and YE????? Man listen…Tina Davis signed Ne-Yo PERIOD. She started that first project and put him with StarGate and by the time Ty Ty got involved (laughs till tears come out) the project was basically done. STOP IT.
Rhianna???? Man listen, LA REID made those Rhianna albums PERIOD. Jay was more like a confidante and cheerleader. LA found Umberlla for her (it was actually shopped to Britney Spears and Christina Milan but they both passed) and the rest is history. If Jay made those albums with Rhianna then why was the album he DID have a hand in (Terria Marie) such bullshit????
YE?? Come on man. Everyone knows that Dame signed Ye and gave him a shot to make that first album. Was it hard for Ye at first? Absolutley because he didn’t fit the Roc mold. He wasn’t thugged out..didn’t smoke mad weed….didn’t dress like them, etc. But Jay wasn’t giving Ye ANY shot at being an artist. He basically did the same shit to Ye as he did to Cam.
This dude is amazing. His revisionist history is unbelievable.
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September 4th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
oh beanie. why you have to do that man. i miss state property. dames brother sounds like a smart business person…he could be a laywer…he’s saying things without being disparaging or naming names or being overtly direct. lol. i’m surprised he’s not in a suit
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and brittany the dude doesn’t just say everything. getting information from him in some interviews must be like dragging teeth because it all depends on what he wants to do. he did an interview for what’s that kanye rihanna tune, run this town, and the dude although very polite didn’t answer all questions directly and the interview was cut down because he said so. he says whatever he wants i guess when it suits him but it seems like he doesn’t think about it much. i wish he had verbal diharrea so that instead of hearing this now we could have heard it all in one sit down interview with all parties involved. granted what i just read up top is basically what he’s been saying all along. i think it’s one of the things that pissed him off the most.
funny bobby dash is talking about how the pie gets cut and how men’s egos get involved instead of being rational. i was just rereading this dmx interview (because of the dmx thread about jay-z having no heart) and here’s what dmx says:
Sway: What happened with Ruff Ryders?
DMX: It’s like this. We built Ruff Ryders together. From day one. It was started ’cause we came together. I’m still on the label, but seeing as we built it together, I feel I should [have] had some part of it. I have nothing, and that’s what made [me want] to get my own label. That doesn’t mean I’m going to leave that label, ’cause I’m not on Bloodline. I feel it’s somewhat of a conflict to be on your own label. Because of that, I’m branching out and developing. A lot of phone calls. The threats. It shouldn’t even be like that man.
Sway: What kind of threats are you getting?
DMX: Serious ones, but for what I’ve already given you; something I helped build, I can’t get my own. That’s funny right there.
Sway: Will you still be collaborating with Swizz Beatz, Eve, Jadakiss?
DMX: Yeah. It’s crazy.
http://www.rapcentral.co.uk/dmxIntervws1.html
http://www.rapcentral.co.uk/dmxInterviews.html
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September 5th, 2009 at 1:22 am
Let’s look at Jay’s signings at Def Jam….Tru Life (never came out), Uncle Murda (come on), Sam Scarfo (nope never came out), Terria Marie (nope), and….wait for it…..bet you forgot…..FUCKING LADY SOVERIEGN!!! (had a nervous breakdown).
NOW he doesn’t mention ANY of them but wants to claim three things he was just AROUND (Neyo, Ye, and Rhianna). Un fucking believable.
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September 5th, 2009 at 2:19 am
This is the one time I wish the Roc would take a page from Entourage, and Hug it out!
I miss the OLD Roc! That movement was crazy…
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September 5th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Bobby Dash seems like such a level headed intelligent guy with a great perspective on things so what the fuck happened to Dame!?
Anyway heres the deal If Kanye, Rihanna, Jeezy Ne-Yo and so on all flopped sold 2 records each all you people wouldn’t hesitate to give Jay-Z all of the blame and as the boss rightfully so he was the president the final say at Roc A fella and Def Jam and these artist were signed on his watch regardless who discovered them regardless who supported them at the label if they sucked Jay-Z’s sucked so shouldn’t the contrary also be true, Isn’t there success ultimately his success as well. It’s kinda like being an NFL QB I believe the saying with QB’s goes that in a win they often get too much of the credit and in a loss they often get to much of the blame its just the nature of the position they are the face of the franchise. Jay-Z was the face of the franchise and the success was his just as the failures would be his and his only.
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September 5th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
First off let me say this. Nobody on this forum knows what the fuck happened in the Rocafella camp. All we can do is compare stories. I think the reason Jay is finally talking about this is because he is tired of niggas making assumptions. When someone like Cam says “you stole Rocafella from Dame, or you stole Kanye from Dame” eventually people believe it, and when they do, you have to say what your side is to level what niggas think. Secondly, do ya’ll really think Jay had nothing to do with the success of the people around him? When he was part owner of the Roc, Bleek did get two Platinum albums, and 1 Gold. Beans went Gold 3 times, Cam went Plat, Kanye went 3 times Plat, not to mention his albums. U think that happened all on Dames watch? Not that it was all his idea but he had something to do with it. When he was at Def Jam, Neyo went double, Rick Ross went Plat, Rhianna went Gold, then double Plat, Kanye went triple, and Jeezy went double. Like I said before, Jay was the only person to have something to do with it, but he had something to do with it. Give credit where its due.
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September 5th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Sean 1st off u old timer u tryin to be someone u aint evey white boy loves ur POP songs thats why u so rich u make pop songs no swear words u old twat.Dame made u who ur are and u are a money before friends peson end of if u dont agree ur fucked in the head. 2nd u disrespected The Diplomats Cam Jim etc then Dark Man X evens Comes out Wit The Truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mei9X1hb2zw Now U aint got shit on the dog 5 numbe 1’s beat that u might have more money more labels but u aint got respect 3rd The Game jim Cam Pac X Dame They all hate/d u get the hit stop being a prick Dipset Ruff Ryder U know
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Evil_D Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Funniest post ever…Thanks for my daily dose of ignorant ebonics filled rambling.
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September 5th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mei9X1hb2zw
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September 5th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Let me get this straight- Dame is sopposed to be better for you as a business aprtner/manager because he would coddle yuo on everythind. WHereas as Jay-Z would allow you to stand and fall on your own. I can understand how some may perceive this behavior of Jay’s as self serving, until you think about how well Dame’s business ventures after the Roc broke up have gone.
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September 6th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
random: i heard beyonce’s on the hook on venus vs. mars.. doesnt sound like her 2 me, its her?
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jaz Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Im not sure, but I heard jay-z likes boiled eggs with tartar sauce.
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September 8th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Do all yall wanna know why Jay-Z is talking about Dame now? It’s because that documentary I Am Choke No Joke. That documentary showed how foul Jay-Z is as a business man and a friend. As you notice Jay-Z hasn’t talked about Dame much after the Black Album. Since Choke No Joke released the documentary this year and clips have been showing up on the net with Dame Dash spazzing on Def Jam when Jay-Z set up that secret meeting behind his back. Since then Jay-Z has mentioned Dame name in new songs and have been talking about him in interviews. Jay-Z knows the streets don’t agree with that foul shit he did to Dame so Jay is trying to justify his actions to win back his fan base. Like Starr and Buc Wild said “make it right with Dame nigga”.
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September 8th, 2009 at 11:51 am
@ mrs grease.SHUT THE FUCK UP.sound like a real fucking herb.
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