Fri 21 May 2010
Happy Birthday Biggie: comedian David Cross doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about…
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(Tobias Fünke, left, Michael Bluth, right, in “Arrested Development.” Pic via IGN)
This is hard for me to say because I loved the short-lived TV show “Arrested Development” so much (so so much)….but after reading David Cross’ flippant statement in this interview with serially-sididdy Pitchfork (via less-sididdy Vulture)….I kind of don’t like him anymore. Hopefully that’s just specific to Cross in relation to music of any kind. It shouldn’t really cross over to my feelings for Cross, the odd comedic actor. Plus, I know everyone has different opinions. And I’m definitely guilty of not being wild about someone that other folks think is the bees knees (i.e. Lupe *shrug*). But, I’m human, and hyper-sensitive about the late great Frank White. (Happy Birthday Biggie, R.I.P.!) So I can’t promise fairness. Also, I hate over-analytical music-snob types as a species.
Pitchfork: Do you remember any examples of not liking an album everyone else did?
David Cross: I can’t think of one off the top of my head, although I do think Biggie Smalls is overrated. I just don’t think he’s as good a lyricist as people say he is.
Pitchfork: You’d prefer a Jay-Z maybe?
DC: Yes. I love a good Jay-Z. I love a Kanye, I love a Lupe Fiasco.
psssh tosh! That’s moronic.
For now, you’re dead to me, Cross….
but Tobias Fünke lives on…FOREVER…after the jump…
May 21st, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Well, he’s not REALLY reaching. People do tend to overrate big alot. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan but lyrically he wasn’t the best..
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Miss Info Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:24 pm
pish! LOL
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Rhyme & Reason Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:31 am
Forgive them they know not wut they do!
In the party of conversaions of “Lyrical/ Non-Lyrical/ Wutever else there is”
B.I.G. was the Muthafuckin’
M.C./ MCee/
Master of Ceremonies/
King of New York/
Still Riegning & Respected Monarchy!
So Pay Homage! You Suckaaaaaaz!
And just like Micheal his catalog can still shut down any an all parties now & to come.
Even the Sididdiest chic will be rubbin’ her Titteez cuz she love Big Poppa! Playaz!….
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HopSauce Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 3:49 am
I kinda agree though. He has two albums (I dont consider ‘Born Again’ his album) and thats it.
I wouldn’t go as far as saying overrated but his death sure has hell made him a legend over night.
However, Biggie is the king when it comes to flows though. He rode the beat like it was his bitch. His swagger is unparalleled.
Always thought Pac had more depth lyrically, but whatever..I dont want to get lynched in BK for saying that.
ps. people calling it blasphemy are just stans.
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BandanaMac Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:56 pm
I’ll give you the nod on Pac with the depth, but lyrically Biggie outshined Pac
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Royce6'1 Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:02 am
Co sign , big was the man but ain’t in Nas or Jigga’s brackets.
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Chase Greene Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 10:53 am
I 100% feel you on the BIG statement. Now BIGGIE was poppin hard, he had maddd flava. I just never thought he was the best neither. I alwyas felt like he was just talkin bout food, or clothes(clothes his fat ass couldnt fit in), or females he wasnt prolly gettin. you see his 1st baby mama?
BIG was hot, i always checked for his music, but I certainly dont think he was the best in that time and era.
YO INFO!!!! I dont know if you ever saw this video, or when it came out on the other site but this SHIT IS CLASSIC!!!!! I never saw it since it first came out and was shocked to have found it.
check it out
http://www.undergroundhiphop.com/video/detail.asp?=Biz-Markie-Biz-Is-Goin-Off-Cold-Chillin-Records&ID=1299
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May 21st, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Biggie changed the game…made it ok to look a certain way and still be mainstream…paved the way for everything that is out nowbut he wasn’t top 10 lyricists of all time…and def not the G.O.A.T
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May 21st, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Really Info??
As someone who works in the music/journalism industry you should be accustomed to the subjective nature of opinions and tastes that run the gamut. Especially with an artist who evokes as much passion in his fans/detractors as Biggie.
I myself am a huge fan of the late great Christopher Wallace. But your knee-jerk reaction to someone else simply saying they think he’s “overrated” is a little “extra.” David Cross “doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about”?? He stated his opinion, even though I don’t agree with I can respect it as his own and keep it moving.
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Miss Info Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 7:09 pm
but…this is my blog….so I’m giving my opinion on his opinion, lol. And my opinion is….that guy doesnt know what he’s talking about, LOL! um….did nobody read all my admissions of bias and knee-jerked-ness?
herro?
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DJAJ4Ever Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 2:29 am
I heard you mama!
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HopSauce Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 3:53 am
Biggie is overrated.
Biggie is overrated.
Biggie is overrated.
take that, take that. lol
Are you gonna ban me from your blog now?
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May 21st, 2010 at 6:32 pm
this was disappointing I guess though you never know who’s behind one of your favorite TV characters.. Big Lives ! Tobias lives!
But Cross, “blackerer??” your hood pass is revoked.
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May 21st, 2010 at 6:34 pm
ps what is going on with these comments!? I respect other peoples’ opinions but damn not even puttin him in top 10? Blasphemy! :/
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May 21st, 2010 at 6:42 pm
I mean he really isnt that far off, Biggie was dope as hell dont get me wrong but he is over rated. Pac was nicer then BIG if it wasnt for pac would big be this much of a god?
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J Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 8:07 pm
The answer is ‘no’.
It was only because of the whole (bullshit) beef that BIG got raised to superstardom status.
Pac was way more lyrical, way more emotional, way more entertaining, and his music content spanned across a wide range of topics which made his music heartfelt.
All Biggie rapped about was food.
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DJAJ4Ever Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 2:32 am
Wow.
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HopSauce Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 5:52 am
lol @ food
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May 21st, 2010 at 6:49 pm
His statement clearly wasnt that bad and miss info is clearly biased…nothing was wrong with what he said its his opinion
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May 21st, 2010 at 6:52 pm
I think people who say Biggie wasn’t good lyrically kinda grade him on the Illmatic curve. Compared to that, who could get shine? I did think he was overrated though, that may have been my biggie-went-platinum-quick-and-nas-and-wu-took-forever resentment. He was overrated but overrated in the way that people say kobe’s better than Jordan not the “every white guy with skill is the next larry bird” kinda way.
He still bit off of Live and Let Die by G. Rap tho. FACT!
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May 21st, 2010 at 7:39 pm
hahaha, I thought he was going to say something super rude/disrespectful. I mean, growin up out here on the west, and being in 8th grade during the “bad boy/death row” nonsense, not going to front, I shunned biggie, and his stuff didn’t really grow on me (n/h) until college, where i started to appreciate his lyricism.
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May 21st, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Ehhhh idk B.I.G’s album was ill but im just glad he mentioned Lupe…Now there’s a Lyrical beast
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May 21st, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Biggie isnt even in the argument of GOAT’s. To be a GOAT you need AT LEAST 3 classic albums. He has one classic. I agree with Cross- hes right on the money. I know amongst hip hop heads that seen as blasphemous cuz every one wants to be PC but hes completely right.
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lady j snapz Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 8:56 pm
agreed
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May 21st, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Honestly, BIG was dope and definitely helped spawn more talented artists but I wouldn’t put him in my top 10 best lyricists of all time. Probably not even in my top 20. Lupe is entirely more talented/lyrical than Biggie ever was. If Lupe was around in Biggie’s time, we all would probably consider him one of the greatest. I think Cross was dead on. Sorry, Info, but I lost a lil’ respect for you w/ this post. =/
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Miss Info Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 8:05 pm
welp, at least we know where we both stand. I love Biggie. And you like him. bong.
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Flowdini Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:25 pm
bong bong
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May 21st, 2010 at 8:39 pm
biggies in my top 5 goat list. in celebration of his bday im having a kickball game/bbq in his honor. peep the flyer….http://i46.tinypic.com/zy955c.jpg
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May 21st, 2010 at 8:51 pm
They were blasting “Hit em up” around my way. Many dudes up here agree with Mr. Cross.
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May 21st, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Big pun was a lyricist…
listen to a Biggie Track…then listen to a Pun track…
biggie was a dope rapper…and all his attributes combined made him so..
and it’s not like Cross said Biggie was Trash or anything like that..
shit most people over rate Pac…
it’s all a matter of opinion and taste..
there is no perfect wordsmith..
for every one person claiming “such and such” to be the greatest of all time, there are ten nay saying..
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Flowdini Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:26 pm
big pun was a wife beater , and that takes away from everything , i cant separate his music from him as a person after i saw him hit his wife with a gun in her face…
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Zav Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
I agree….being abusive to your wife..doesn’t give you any credit with real niggas…fuck pun
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May 21st, 2010 at 9:49 pm
I think what ppl fail to realize is that nobody is right or wrong here, it’s all OPINION!! The thing is though, it seems that going against popular opinion is the new “in” thing now, to the point where it’s hard to know if someone really does have a genuine opinion.
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May 21st, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Wait……. Is this some sort of REALLY late April fools joke? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but come on, Lupe Fiasco being better than biggie? And people talking about he’s not top ten? “do you fools listen to music or do you just skim thru it”
smh
This gotta be a joke
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Uptop Don Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 11:10 am
yea while i dont agree he’s better than lupe AT ALL!
…the man u just quoted tops him! love Big n all RIP! but Jay’s better, not just as an artist but in all aspects in his rap game/business conquests! to put “not good for hip hop” under this one is a bit much! he sounds way more informed about this rap shit than the average white squares I communicate with.
(sb: i always felt like BIG couldve went harder on Unbelievable, preemo joint for those who dont know for some odd reason)
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May 21st, 2010 at 9:50 pm
lol…finally…what big have 2 albums…and hes one of the best…smh i think u have to put out a little more than that to be considered the best….miss info your trippin on this one… big was overrated….if nelly died after country grammar would he be considered one of the goat… that album broke some records…but luckily he didn’t so we can get a real idea of that man and we know hes not……just saying u need more than 1-2 albums to be in the goat category….not bigs fault his life got cut short, but its just life
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May 21st, 2010 at 10:34 pm
hes only the best cause diddy made it that way so diddy can get paid.just like his vodka is the best . u keep saying someones the best that name will follow them.im not saying biggie was wack he was aight i like a lot of his songs and i wish he ws still around.but the dudes that caught my ear the most ive heard is nas,big pun,wu tang eminem and jadakiss.
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dasher3ds Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 12:11 pm
i agree wit u em and pun and jadakiss are lyrical genuis…lupe and wale are coming up and are also crazy wit the lyrics but people ofter leave out talib, common mos and black thought and them fellehs are def the top best lyricis and mos ride the beat like a horse in the k durby
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May 22nd, 2010 at 12:21 am
to hell with you all that think Big wasnt GOAT.. he was better than pac, better than jay, best rapper to do it, and in his short career he shut shit down!!!….Biggie for life
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Flowdini Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Big L was better then every one u just mentioned …
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May 22nd, 2010 at 12:55 am
Here, I’ll say something that will sidetrack your detractors:
Kanye West is the greatest hip-hop based entertainer of all time…of all time!!!
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Flowdini Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm
co-sign
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May 22nd, 2010 at 2:18 am
Info, im an avid reader of your stuff here…this is a great site>>and i never leave a comment im not the blogging type..but @ anybody who says biggie is overrated and thinks kanye or jay or lil wayne or NELLY(smh)is better ur not a fan of rap…Your a pop music fan!!!!!dont get it twisted…R.I.P B.I.G
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dasher3ds Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 12:17 pm
really? i fell not o days people thik if u aint gangster u aint a rapper but kanye college drop out and late regrestation was amazing and jay we already know he amazing 11 #1 albums speak for its self way okay no a days i totalyl agree wit u but carter one and 2 and mix tapes in between that time he was wild wit it…. but no u dont have to b a gangster rapper to b a hip hop artist even graduaion is amazin big was ill honest err one love how he went in on a beat and he spoke his mind and was shabby wit the lyrics but his word play wasnt all dat (just my opinion)
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May 22nd, 2010 at 5:26 am
its not moronic, i think to some extent he has a point.
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May 22nd, 2010 at 7:31 am
the comment wasnt bad, but biggie was indeed a great lyricist.
To each his own I feel
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May 22nd, 2010 at 7:49 am
I thought I was the only one who wasn’t a big Lupe fan?
On the subject of Biggie, you can’t like Jay-Z and not like Biggie, I wanna stress that first of all.
Secondly, if you’re gonna say that man wasn’t lyrical and a MASTER wordsmith you’re gonna have to give me some examples of something better. Life After Death is 13 years old and you could play it right now for some brat not in the know and they’ll think it was recorded last week. The man’s art is TIMELESS. You can’t give me too many examples of someone who knocks like that.
I know that it’s sometimes fashionable to go against the grain, so to speak, or try to throw shade on something that appeals to the masses instead of opening your eyes and recognizing the talent and gift behind someone that can unite so many people. But to downplay Big’s skills is just retarded. I can understand if he’s not your favorite, I can even understand if he’s better than your favorite but just not your flavor, but you can’t deny the man’s skills.
I hated the Bulls growing up, was not a big Jordan fan, but denying that he was the GOAT is just hate and/or stupidity.
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Yomimi Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
My man u know what u saying and of all the comments I think u have said it all to all em fools who arguing Its bed time gtfo I co sign big tym!haters atleast apprecite and not hate!braaaap!well said man!
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BKMAN Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
you hit it on the money listen to every song biggie made while he was alive he made a bad song
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May 22nd, 2010 at 8:23 am
I’d rather listen to Kool Keith than BIG…
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May 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 am
C’mon Info you know how he rolls. He’s probably just going against the grain to be funny and obtuse. Even the way he says, “Yes. I love a good Jay-Z”, sounds sarcastic.
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May 22nd, 2010 at 9:44 am
ok first I come on missinfo and read all of these comments with people co-signing jay elec basically shitting on all ny rappers ( down south will shit on any ny rapper)!!! in fabolous voice: NICCEEE… then we sayin Biggie wasnt that dude, but we’re co-signing jay-z and all of these other rappers who are quick to take biggies lyrics and say its homage. Name three jay-z albums where he didnt take bigs shit. #I’llwait Name one rapper out after biggie’s death who hasnt recited or sampled a couple bars. I agree that everyone has a opinion, but lupe? to be the greatest you have to have how many albums again? and Lupe has how many albums? its cool to have your own opinion, but when there’s no logic..*blank stare* B.I.G wasnt lyrical? he had so many styles of rap. who really thought that big could flow on some bone thugs ish? he was a story teller, crushed club bangers. He didnt make you think? your nobody till somebody kills you? I could go on and on but there’s really no sense in doing that when conversing with someone who is obviously insane…I feel like im really starting to see first hand why hip hop is in the state that its in…and its all in slow motion, like im in a dream ctfu.
Double parked by a fire hydrant ~*stupid mutha fuckas*~
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May 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 am
exhibit A:
“sky’s the limit”
Uhhh
A nigga never been as broke as me, I like that
When I was young I had two pair of Lees, besides that
The pin stripes and the gray (uh-huh)
The one I wore on Mondays and Wednesdays
While niggas flirt, I’m sewing tigers on my shirt
and alligators
Ya wanna see the inside, huh, I see ya later
Here come the drama, oh, that’s that nigga wit the fake, blaow!
Why you punch me in my face, stay in ya place
Play ya position, here come my intuition
Go in this nigga pocket
Rob him while his friends watchin
That hoes clockin, here comes respect
His crew’s your crew, or they might be next
Look at they man eye, BIG man they never try
So we roll wid em, stole wid em
I mean loyalty, niggaz bought me milks at lunch
The milks was chocolate, the cookies, buttercrunch
In gear – Oshkosh with blue and white ducks
Pass the blunt.
“sky’s the limit” by b.i.g, “child’s play” by ghostface, “stan” by eminem “dear mama” by tupac, “teenage love” by slick rick, etc…
i guess one may claim that “momma loves me” by jay z is in this category, but i would have to disagree. in it, jay z is revealing his emotions, but he isn’t doing so with the exposed beauty of a “sky’s the limit” or “dear mama”. jay z has never exposed himself emotionally.
these songs are the epitome of “real” hip hop, not that bullshit macho shit.
exhibit B:
“suicidal thoughts”
When I die, fuck it I wanna go to hell
Cause I’m a piece of shit, it ain’t hard to fuckin’ tell
It don’t make sense, goin’ to heaven wit the goodie-goodies
Dressed in white, I like black Tims and black hoodies
God will probably have me on some real strict shit
No sleepin’ all day, no gettin my dick licked
Hangin’ with the goodie-goodies loungin’ in paradise
Fuck that shit, I wanna tote guns and shoot dice
All my life I been considered as the worst
Lyin’ to my mother, even stealin’ out her purse
Crime after crime, from drugs to extortion
I know my mother wished she got a fuckin’ abortion
She don’t even love me like she did when I was younger
Suckin’ on her chest just to stop my fuckin’ hunger
I wonder if I died, would tears come to her eyes?
Forgive me for my disrespect, forgive me for my lies
My babies’ mothers 8 months, her little sister’s 2
Who’s to blame for both of them (naw nigga, not you)
I swear to God I just want to slit my wrists and end this bullshit
Throw the Magnum to my head, threaten to pull shit
And squeeze, until the bed’s, completely red
I’m glad I’m dead, a worthless fuckin’ buddah head
The stress is buildin’ up, I can’t,
I can’t believe suicide’s on my fuckin’ mind
I want to leave, I swear to God I feel like death is fuckin’ callin’ me
Naw you wouldn’t understand (nigga, talk to me please)
You see its kinda like the crack did to Pookie, in New Jack
Except when I cross over, there ain’t no comin’ back
Should I die on the train track, like Remo in Beatstreet
People at the funeral frontin’ like they miss me
My baby momma kissed me but she glad I’m gone
She knew me and her sista had somethin’ goin’ on
I reach my peak, I can’t speak,
call my nigga Chic, tell him that my will is weak.
I’m sick of niggas lyin’, I’m sick of bitches hawkin’,
matter of fact, I’m sick of talkin’.
(BANG)
(hey yo big…hey yo big)
damn…. i rest my fucking case.
i mean, this whole verse is as good as salinger’s writing in “catcher in the rye”.
i often wonder what the “notorious one’s” I.Q. was and i usually come up with pretty fuckin high, probably–technically–genius level: 130 and above.
imo, no rap lyricist has ever matched B.I.G’s lyrical wit and construction. simply put, he’s my number 1–hands down.
but i could never hate D. cross. he’s too damn funny!
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jwilliams Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 10:26 am
forgot “one love” by nas.
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May 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 am
i g.o.a.t isnt/shouldnt be based on how many albums you have…but by how great the material you have released can be put on the same shelf as the people with longevity in the game, and the people that are well respected in any hip hop debate..name any rapper out after b.i.g died that has a album thats touching his..when you mention b.i.g the names that are evoked are who? Big Pun, Pac, B
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May 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am
sorry on that last post…i hate laptop mouse
i think g.o.a.t isnt/shouldnt be based on how many albums you have…but by how great the material you have released can be put on the same shelf as the people with longevity in the game, and the people that are well respected in any hip hop debate..name any rapper out after b.i.g died that has a album thats touching his..when you mention b.i.g the names that are evoked are who? Big Pun, Pac, Big L, Nas….so if big isnt that great why mention his name among the greats….after b.i.g pac pun and big l died hip hop has never been the same..even nas says that when big was out he felt that he was the only one he felt could compete and make great music…anyone that you consider lyrical listen to they interviews and 9/10 will mention b.i.g..so the same people we give props and respect to are the same people that b.i.g has helped mold into being your favorite rapper
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May 22nd, 2010 at 11:02 am
Big is ur favourite rappers, favourite rapper
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May 22nd, 2010 at 11:08 am
I think Tupac was overated, but thats my opinion…..I don’t think there is anything wrong with what David Cross, I love biggie, I think he is one of the all time greats, but I don’t get mad if some one disagrees with me
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May 22nd, 2010 at 12:34 pm
I’m gonna throw a tomato at somebody in here.
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May 22nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm
LOL..HE ONLY RAPPED ABOUT FOOD..HAPPY BELATED BORNDAY CHRISTOPHER WALLACE..
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE FAIL TO REALIZE??..IF HE IS ADMIRED BY AND TOUCHED SO MANY WITH ONLY TWO ALBUMS..IT DON’T MATTER WHO THINKS ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING..TRUE ARTIST WORK SPEAK FOR IT SELF..EVERY THING ELSE IS TO TASTE AND OR PERSPECTIVE
PEACE MISSINFO
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May 22nd, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Smh at somebody talking about fuck lil Wayne and then mentioning biggie, fact is big paved the way for all of these commercial quick dollar rappers. Biggie was a great rapper but lyrically was fairly average. same old repetitive gangster talk and then had the nerve to talk about nas jacking his mafioso raps when he himself took that off g rap.
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May 22nd, 2010 at 2:09 pm
I agree and I like big. I have to say I like him cuz then people automatically come with ur a hater.
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May 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Biggie Was Dope As Hell, But, Not The GOAT….Tupac was more Poetic and Socially Conscious even though people tag him with the Gangster Rapper Label… And Kanye Is The Greatest Artist of our Generation
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May 22nd, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Big L (R.I.P.) was the greatest lyricist of all time…my second favorite being Del.
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BandanaMac Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 pm
The Funky Homosapien?
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steveo in yonkers Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Deltron 3030 is one of my favortie albums of all time, of any musical genre… It’s up there with Darkside of the Moon on my list of all time greats, so you know that’s saying something!
He used to ghostwrite for his older cousin “Ice Cube” before he started out on his own. He also was down w the legendary Hieroglyphics crew.
He certainly has “fallen off” as of late, but in his prime, he flipped sh*t.
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BandanaMac Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Sounds good, I’m always in line for a new experience I’ll check out Record & Tape Traders and see if I can pick this up.
May 22nd, 2010 at 4:23 pm
He’s right.
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May 22nd, 2010 at 6:13 pm
lol. um yeah… you wildin’ for this one, info… I kept reading and re-reading the article like “where’s this horrible ‘flippant’ statement, info was talking about.” I was expecting something like “his feet stank” or “you know Lil’ Kim used to ghostwrite for him, right?”
All dude said is that he’s overrated and that he doesn’t think he’s as lyrical as a lot of people say he is (a statement ALOT of people agree with)… and all of the sudden that means he doesn’t know what he’s talking about? That completely discredits him as being knowledgeable about hip-hop?
Mmm, I gotta say you’re outta order for this one, homie. I can’t believe you committed a whole post to this… I can’t believe I wasted a whole comment for this!
Love ya info!
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Miss Info Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 12:15 am
im random, and unpredictable
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May 22nd, 2010 at 6:17 pm
dope
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May 22nd, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Music is subjective. So much of it is dependent on your perspective. Your environment, the era you grew up in. If the music impacted your life, etc.
If I was around (especially if I was in NY) to see Biggie at his peak, I would totally think he was the best.
But I wasn’t, so I can only judge him on his lyrical ability. And solely based off that, I think it’s fair to say he’s overrated by certain people.
I think Biggie is (arguably) the GOAT, but not because he’s the most lyrical ever (he’s not).
For “over-analytical rap nerds” they don’t experience any of the real culture surrounding rap first-hand. So they look at it purely technically (they only way they can). That’s why they tend to like Lupe. As a technical MC, he’s incredible. Is that wrong or skewed? I don’t think so. It just is what it is.
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May 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
1ST COUPLE OF COMMENTS HURT MY HEART WOW I CANT BELIEVE U COULD EVEN QUESTION IF HE’S THE BEST LYRICIST DUDE GOT TRACKS THAT RAPPERS NOW CANT FUCK WIT NOW AND IT’S 2010 ….. SMH
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May 23rd, 2010 at 6:53 am
Biggie left such an impression in rap game as a whole that only two albums later 13 years later after his death he is still in the top three list. Nas was before him but after BIG came out the gAme changed he brought pride to the east coast, Brooklyn, NYC when west coast was running the show. It wasn’t nas who rescued the east and he could have but he didn’t he stayed dormant. Can’t nobody say it was diddy it was Biggie Smalls catchy flows, wordplay, sinister story telling that made him better than the rest. Once Notorious first album they knew things done changed, they new u had to better or close to it. Big had that Freddy Kruger, Jason, Michael myers Killa shit.
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May 23rd, 2010 at 7:49 pm
if you dont think something is overated then it prob is
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May 23rd, 2010 at 11:53 pm
I just dont understand how he can say that he likes Jay but BIG is overrated… as many BIG lines Jay stole?? oh well. opinions. assholes. we all have em…
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May 24th, 2010 at 4:33 am
Although they were the same age, Jay-Z is almost from an era after BIG. He really built and innovated upon many of BIG’s concepts…
Jordan had to happen for Kobe to exist…but at the same time, that doesn’t mean Jordan is automatically better because he’s the blueprint/prototype. (I think Jordan is, but it’s fairly debatable)
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May 24th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Fuck your opinions. Big was and is the God-MC. Perfect diction. Clear and strong lyrics. Possibly best story-teller ever. Some of his songs were like gangster movie screenplays. I’m not saying he was the most lyrical but he epitomized everything the MC should be. I would go crazy posted some of his lyrics but then I might get banned. Fuck it.
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May 24th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Fillin clips he explained our situation
Precisely, so we know exactly what we facin
Some kid named Jason
In a Honda station wagon
Was braggin
About how much loot and crack he stackin
Rock had a grip so they formed up a clique
Small crew
‘Round the time I was locked up with you
True indeed
But yo nigga let me proceed
Don’t fill them clips too high
Give them bullets room to breathe
Damn where was I?
Yeah
One night in town
Blew the fuck up
D-Rock went home
And Jay got stuck the fuck up
Hit ‘em twice
Got ‘em right for the virgin white
Pistol whipped his kids
And taped up his wife
He said “Yo Rock, set em up”, no question
Wet em up no less
Than 50 shots in his direction
How many shots?
Man nigga, I seen mad holes
What kinda gats?
Heckler & Koch and Calicoles
But fuck that
I know where all them niggas rest at
In the buildin hustlin
And they don’t be strapped
Supreme in black
Is downstairs, the engine runnin
Find a bag to put the guns in
And c’mon if yo comin
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May 24th, 2010 at 9:22 am
Who today is spitting anything even half as good as this? And remember Big was only 24!!
Since it’s on, I call my nigga Arizona Ron
From Tuscon, pushed the black Yukon
Usually had the slow grooves on, mostly rock the Isley
Stupid as a young’un, chose not the moves wisely
Sharper with game, him and his crooks, called The Juxs
Heard it was sweet, bout three-fifty a piece
Ron bought a truck, two bricks laid in the cut
His peeps got bucked, got locked the fuck up
That’s when Ron vanished, came back, speakin Spanish
Lavish habits, two rings, twenty carats
Here’s a criminal, nigga made America’s Most
Killed his baby mother brother, slit his throat
The nigga got bagged with the toast
Weeded, took it to trial, beat it
Now he feel he undefeated, he mean it
Nothing to lose, tattooed around his gun wounds
Everything to gain, embedded in his brain
And me I feel the same for this money and diamonds
Specially if my daughter cryin, I ain’t lyin
Y’all know the science
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May 24th, 2010 at 9:25 am
I hate to be disrespectful but are you people fucking morons?
I kick flows for ya, kick down doors for ya
Even left all my motherfuckin hoes for ya
Niggaz think Frankie pussy whipped, nigga picture that
With a Kodak, Insta-ma-tak
We don’t get down like that, lay my game down quite flat
Sweetness, where you parked at?
Petiteness but that ass fat
She got a body make a nigga wanna eat that, I’m fuck witchu
The bitch official doe, dick harder than a missile yo
Try to hit if she trippin dissapearin like Arsenio
Yo, the bitch push a double-oh
with the five in front, probably a connivin stunt
Y’all drive in front, I’m a peel with her
Find a deal with her, she fuck around and steal, huh?
Then we all get laced
Television’s, Versacci heaven, when I’m up in em
The shit she kicked, all the shit’s legit
She get dick from a player off the New York Knicks
Nigga tricked ridiculous, the shit was plush
She’s stressin me to fuck, like she was in a rush
We fucked in his bed, quite dangerous
I’m in his ass while he playin gainst the Utah Jazz
My 112, CD blast, I was past
She came twice I came last, roll the grass
She giggle, say I don’t smoke it on homegrown
Then I heard her moan, honey I’m home
Yep, tote chrome for situations like this
I’m up in his broad I know he won’t like this
Now I’m like bitch you better talk to him
Before this fist put a spark to him
Fuck around shit get dark to him, put a part through him
Lose a major part to him, arm, leg
She beggin me to stop but this cat gettin closer
Gettin hot like a toaster, I cocks the toast, uhh
Before my eyes could blink
She screams out, “Honey bring me up somethin to drink!”
He go back downstairs more time to think
Her brain racin, she’s tellin me to stay patient
She don’t know I’m, cool as a fan
Gat in hand, I don’t wanna blast her man
But I can and I will doe, I probably chill doe
Even though situation lookin kinda ill yo
It came to me like a song I wrote
Told the bitch gimme your scarf, pillowcase and rope
Got dressed quick, tied the scarf around my face
Roped the bitch up, gagged her mouth with the pillowcase
Play the cut, nigga comin off some love potion shit
Flash the heat on em, he stood emotionless
Dropped the glass screamin, “Don’t blast here’s the stash,
a hundred cash just don’t shoot my ass, please!”
Nigga pullin mad G’s out the floor
Put stacks in a Prater knapsack, hit the door
Grab the keys to the five, call my niggaz on the cell
Bring some weed I got a story to tell, uhh…
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May 24th, 2010 at 9:28 am
More?
Niggaz in my faction don’t like askin questions
Strictly gun testin, coke measurin
Givin pleasure in the Benz-ito
Hittin fanny, spendin chips at Manny’s
Hope you creeps got receipts, my peeps get dirty like cleats
Run up in your crib, wrap you up in your Polo sheets
Six up in your wig piece, nigga decease
MWA, may you rest in peace
With my Sycamore style, more sicker than yours
Four-four, and fifty-four draw
as my pilot, steers my Leer, yes my dear
Shit’s official, only, the Feds I fear
Here’s a tissue, stop your blood clot cryin
The kids, the dog, everybody dyin, no lyin
So don’t you get suspicious
I’m Big Dangerous you’re just a Lil Vicious
As I leave my competition, respirator style
Climb the ladder to success escalator style
Hold y’all breath, I told y’all — death
controls y’all, Big don’t fold y’all, uhh
I spit phrases that’ll thrill you
You’re nobody til somebody kills you
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May 24th, 2010 at 9:31 am
Armed and dangerous, ain’t too many can bang with us
Straight up weed no angel dust, label us Notorious
Thug ass niggaz that love to bust, it’s strange to us
Y’all niggaz be scramblin, gamblin
Up in restaraunts with mandolins, and violins
We just sittin here tryin to win, tryin not to sin
High off weed and lots of gin
So much smoke need oxygen, steadily countin them Benjamins
Nigga you should too, if you knew
What this game’ll do to you
Been in this shit since ninety-two
Look at all the bullshit I been through
So-called beef with you know who
Fuck a few female stars or two
Nigga, blue light, nigga, move like Mike, shit
not to be fucked with
Motherfucker better duck quick, cause
Me and my dogs love to buck shit
Fuck the luck shit, strictly aim
No aspirations to quit the game
Spit yo’ game, talk yo’ shit
Grab yo’ gat, call yo’ click
Squeeze yo’ clip, hit the right one
Pass that weed, I got to light one
All them niggaz I got ta fight one
All them hoes I got ta like one
Our situation is a tight one
Whatcha gonna do, fight or run?
Seems to me that you’ll take heed
Bone and Big, nigga die slowly
I’ma tell you like a nigga told me
Cash Rule Everything Around Me
Shit, lyrically, niggaz can’t see me
Fuck it, buy the coke
Cook the coke, cut it
Know the bitch ‘fore you caught yourself lovin’ it
Nigga with a Benz fuckin it
Doesn’t it seem odd to you
Big come through with mobs and crews
Goodfellas down to the Mo Thugs dudes
Who’s the killa, me or you?
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May 24th, 2010 at 9:33 am
And last but Certainly not least…
In the Comission, you ask for permission to hit ‘em
He don’t like me, hit him while wifey was with him
You heard of us, the murderous, most shady
Been on the low lately, the feds hate me
The son of Satan, they say my killing’s too blatant
You hesitatin, I’m in your mama crib waitin
Duct tapin, your fam destiny
lays in my hands, gat lays in my waist (yeah)
Francis, M to the iz-H phenominal (uh huh)
Gun rest under your vest by the abdominal (yeah)
Rhyme a few bars so I can buy a few cars (uh huh)
And I kick a few flows so I can pimp a few hoes (let’s go)
Excellence is my presence, never tense
Never hesitant, leave a nigga bent real quick
Real sick, brawl nights, I perform like Mike (c’mon)
Anyone – Tyson, Jordan, Jackson (uh huh, yeah)
action, pack guns, ridiculous (ridiculous)
And I’m quick to bust, if my ends you touch (uh huh)
Kids or girl you touch (say what?), in this world I clutch (c’mon)
Two auto-matoes, used to call me fatso (used to call me fatso)
Now you call me Castro, my rap flows (yeah)
Militant, y’all faggots ain’t killin shit
Oops Cristal keep spillin shit, you overdid it homes (yeah)
You in the danger zone, you shouldn’t be alone
Hold hands and say it like me
The most shady (most shady), Frankie baby (Frankie baby), fantastic
Graphic, tryin to make dough, like “Jurassic”
“Park” did, quick to spark kids who start shit (c’mon, say what?)
See me, only me (yeah, I see you)
The Underboss of this holocaust (let’s go)
Truly yours, Frank White
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May 24th, 2010 at 9:37 am
I’m sorry Miss Info. I had to do that for the kids who obviously know nothing of Big and have grown up in the age of Jeezy, Drake and Wayne. While I have nothing against those rappers and actually enjoy their music it’s funny to hear that Big was overrated when the quality of the music is where it is at today.
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W. J. Rice Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 11:40 am
I grew up through the NWA era, but Biggie is mad overrated. You can’t be the best off two albums. Two albums which if you remember were spearheaded and marketed by Diddy. I remember Diddy back in 94/95 talking to MTV about the direction he had to force Biggie to take for Life after Death. I remember how Biggie said he didn’t want to make “Big Poppa.”
Essentially, Diddy made Biggie because Frank White would have never truly materialized without him.
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May 24th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Biggie is overrated although he was a dope lyricist. He can’t be the GOAT because he doesn’t have the track record but of course he didn’t have control over it…life did. You can’t be the GOAT off of 2 albums.
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May 24th, 2010 at 11:14 am
I agree Biggie was incredible and NY should stand up for him but I’m from Chi and a real Hip Hop fan so I’m really trippin on the Lupe diss from the writer. Don’t front, Lupe is another one of those great emcee’s/lyricist
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May 24th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Why is hip hop the only genre of music that keeps trying to find the answer the dumbest question?
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May 24th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Big is ill, but he’s probably the most overrated rapper of all time. Most of his “achievements” can be directly credited to Diddy.
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May 24th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Biggie overrated …LMAO! Whatever yall quick to give Jay-z the crown. When the world didn’t know Jay didn’t write down his lyrics. Biggie was the only person that kept up with him.Without writing his lyrics down either.Anyone remember “Brooklyn Finest” or “I Love for the dough:”? Those was straight off the top of the dome. But everybody and there mother wanna call Jay “Rain Man” and shit.
Biggie not overrated it is not Biggie fault that the hip hop community ride his dick after his death. So don’t start disrespecting this man cause the media and Diddy turned this man in to a dead icon.
I think Pac was a better poet at heart. Cause of the struggles he faced. But nobody says he overrated cause everybody to this day dicks rides too. So don’t do it to Biggie. It one thing to have an opinion but don’t disrespect this man catalog. Just cause you are not a fan or you couldn’t relate to his lyrics.
The nerve of yall to say these things when yall probably think Wayne is really the “Best Rapper Alive”. That is hard to believe when he cloned Jay-z whole fucking flow for the last 5 years.Don’t get me wrong Wayne is nice with his shit. But i won’t hear this blasphemy about Frank White.Kanye is a great artist also but his samples classic songs like Diddy did when bad boy was running shit back in the days.If yall going to disrespect Biggie start doing it to all the rappers out there.
Jesus what next? Yall are going to say Gucci deserve to be lyricist of the year!?
I can’t believe this shit at all. It took like a decade and a half to start this debate.The problem behind that is this shouldn’t be a damn debate. Respect Biggie for his two classic album and leave it alone. Just cause the lyrics to some of you i must say hip hop virgins don’t appeal to you. Don’t mean you shouldn’t respect the past.
And No i ain’t 30 plus year old rap head that still listen to cassette tapes. I just know it certain things you say and don’t and this is one of them
Long Live Frank White!
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May 24th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
you gotta be kiddin me biggie wasn’t that lyrical but jay z is bullshit listen to every jay album since 97 he’s been bittin big shit nas is my man but that first verse on kick in the door was mean how ppl say he can’t be called the best cause he only mad 2 albums more bullshit go back listen to them 2 albums not 1 bad song jay got 11 number 1 albums but only 2 are classics I don’t matter how many albums you put out or sell BIG was the total package he was Brooklyn from the hoody to the timbs he was frank white the king of ny
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May 24th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Let me ask this question. If Sean combs made Biggie, then why hasn’t he been able to recreate someone even close to that stature. He had Kiss and did nothing with him. Whatever happened to Aasim or whatever the fuck his name was? Sean didn’t write his fucking rhymes. I’m not saying Big is the Goat. I think Em has surpassed him lyrically as well as a host of other MC’s. I would hope so being that he died 13 fucking years ago. The game has changed and evolved but he is still easily one of the best who ever did it. And his two albums are arguably among the best Hip Hop albums ever.
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May 24th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Miss Info to Chris:
“Hire this man!” (Steinbrenner voice)
I’m down 100%…That’s what people who didn’t actually listen to Biggie when he was alive don’t know…The dude was considered a walking talking legend back then! Plain and simple…his death just amplified and martyred his status.
P.
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