Tue 10 Nov 2009
Funkmaster Flex weighs in on Beanie Sigel vs. Jay-Z
Posted by Mikey Fresh under relationships and family[57] Comments
Funkmaster flex speaks on the Beanie Sigel vs. Jay-Z
Funkmaster Flex - Beanie Sigel vs. Jay-Z.mp3
Mikey: Last night, on Hot 97 Funkmaster Flex spoke on the Beanie Sigel vs. Jay-Z situation, and voiced his personal opinions on the matter. As someone who’s been around Rocafella since it was just ”Hov and Dame in the Lexus”, he’s got interesting perspective here. Flex also talks about Jaz-O’s and Dame’s issues with Jay. (props to Nahright via RR)
“I feel like Jay-Z was wrong but wrong for a different reason. I think Jay was wrong for not letting Sigel out the contract because once an artist tells you he’s upset or tells you he wants to leave, I think you should let him leave. It’s a situation beyond repair.”
“I think Beans was wrong for making a record saying anything about Jay-Z… but I don’t know what happened in Philly…”
November 10th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Since when do you let someone out of a contract becuse their upset. It’s called the record BUSINESS! You can’t sign a contract with a label and expect them to let you go when you want them to. Before you sign anything get you a good lawyer, or better yet start your OWN company.
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Rhyme & Reason Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Let us focus please the ramblings are becomin’ boring Really!!!!
How many Mceez or musicians you know in your life time that have really been let out of thier contracts in “one hour”?
Hell would frezze twice before you give me one artist. Really.
We lose site of things too easy now a days.
“It was All good just a week ago!!”
you think about it n get bac to me
one.
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November 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I appreciate Flex honesty. I don’t think Beans was wrong for making that track. If his claims for not getting a hold a Ye-Z are true then it makes sense. Ye-Z didn’t have to call the police, they were already there Flex. All Ye-Z had to do was point them in the direction of Beans (lol).
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November 10th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
FLEX IS FUCKING GAY!! TELLING JAZ-O THE NIGGA WHO NAMED JAY-Z TO BE NICE AND NOT SPEAK HIS TRUTH OR ROC THE BOAT IS FUCKING GAY… JAZ-O HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK HIS MIND!!! WHO INTRODUCED JAY-Z TO KANE? AND HIS FLOW AT THE TIME? Naz, Biggie and NWA were the first in the 90’s to take that Rakim, G-Rap flavor to the next era and well while JAZ-O-jr was still doing his best Das Effects act! Jaz-O-Jr was an Avg late 80’s early 90’s rapper at best go back and listen to that shit.. Nas has been Nas since album one! Jaz-O-jr has been everyone he thought he had to be in order to be successful…SORRY BUT WHO IS JAY-Z??? HE’S NOT THE GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME… HE’S NOT THE MOST INFLUENTIAL OF HIS ERA….HE’S NOT THE BEST RAPPER OF HIS EAR…. HE’S NOT THE MOST SUCCESSFUL RAPPER OF HIS ERA EVEN THOUGH HE MADE ALOT OF MONEY…..WHY THE FUCK DOES PEOPLE FEEL THE NEED TO PROTECT HIM LIKE HE’S SOME NATIONAL TREASURE?? NOW ITS BEYONCE TURN TO SPEAK ON HIS GREATNESS!! SON JUST THE FIRST DUDE WILLING TO COMPLETELY SELL THE INTEGRITY OF THE CULTURE AND THE MUSIC TO CORPORATE AMERICA FOR STATUS!! HE’S A FUCKING SELLOUT!! WE NEED TO REVISIT ICE CUBES BE TRUE TO THE GAME!
SON IS A FRAUD!!!
I really do got love flex went to his car show two times.. I respect the mans hustle…But he just needs to shut the fuck up before going on air sounding like a chump!! “Jaz-O my dude be nice to hov your a good man just let it go” WTF!!
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Big Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Revisit!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiOv37e1a7Q
Before he started beef to sell the blueprint I’m sure he didnt think Nas had that in him!! Sad man!!
BEST RAPPERS OF THIS ERA:
1. Nas
2. Eminem (MADE THE MOST MONEY!)
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MzBrittanyLUV Is The Blogger Beast, The Virtual Villan, The Keyboard Killah, The Dell Divaaaaa Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
I disagree with flex on the strength that JAY-Z STARTED THIS.
Like, I really cant say that enough.
Beans would not be saying this if Jay-z would not have been taking shots at all of them on BP3.
They have a right to say how they feel after Jay-z threw them under the bus. Bottom line.
They dont owe Jayz nothing if he disrespecting them flat out.
It’s funny to me how no one brings that up.
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HIPHOP Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 9:11 am
YOu are the biggest hater on this website Big, in completely agree 100% percent with what flex was saying by the way.
The Internet has killed hip hop, just my opinion.
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Mullah Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Jay-z is the Best Haters “Grown men want me to sit em on my lap but i dont have a beard and Santa clause aint black”-HOv
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November 10th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I think segal is right jay-Z needs to keep things real and start doing better for his artist.
Jay z from brooklyn so its the brooklyn way to get jerkedyou know
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November 10th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I will say that I agree with Flex stating that Jay should have let Beans leave the label…I don’t know what it is with these hiphop labels and their air tight contracts where artists can’t leave…I guess this shows when artists don’t have their legal game up to standards…why sign something that does not allow you to leave…
On another note…too many hiphop labels refuse to negotitate something where the artists can leave and the old label still gets paid…I don’t know if it’s ego where they feel because I brought u in the game so I am the only one who should eat off you…
Also I do agree that alot of artist want to jump ship to the hot labels but that can be two fold..either their labels don’t put any energy into making them better artists or either these rappers don’t put in enough game to be as hot as they can…
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November 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Another Flex rambling moment…
It feels like he wants to go in but he doesn’t want it misconstrued as disrespect. Come on out and say it.
“Don’t get confused and think people care about you. They care about the person you’re talking about.”
Translation: Beanie, 50 is not your friend. Go ask J-Hood or Rick Ross’ wife (Did that book come out?). You’re biting the hand that feeds/fed you and probably would have looked out for you in the future. In 14 and a half minutes no one will care that this beef happened and you’ll be worse than when it started. Jay will still be on the cover of Rolling Stone and 50 will have moved on to the next venture. Why is it so hard for artists to see this?
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Big Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Yeah the book did come out lol and more than J-Hood was on that concert tour for 50 last album!!!
Poor thing!
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Nightfall Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I think he’s talking about the 5 borough tour 50 did b4 Curtis. When he used J-Hood, Remy Ma, Juelsz and Jimmy to get at Fat Joe, Cam and D Block.
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L Sheist Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Absolutely!!! This is Flex’s M.O. “I’ma keep it 100!” Oh please Flex, you always tell us what is going to happen, and then you don’t say it! You’re a fraud Flex, really.
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November 10th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Flex does need to do some real research before he goes on the air and gives his opinion on any topic. If he decides that is too much then he should just Spin records because people will continue to show frustration when you speak about things and dont know much about that of which you speak of.
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iceberg NY Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
@ Cambury is you serious??? It’s Flex’s Opinion, if you missed the part where he says he’s speaking as a Fan of the Game & those individuals involved in this mess.
Research for What? Do you do research every time you have to speak on how a situation affects you? Wait you did your research when 9/11 hit or when Kanye Stormed the stage at the VMA just to be sure if you were moved by the moment? (Ok fall back, I know this ain’t on that 9/11 level but you get my drift)
Flex is official title is a DJ/Radio Personality/host…when did his title become REPORTER/new Anchor? Yiou making it sound he’s giving you misleading facts. When was the last time you heard a newscast that give you NEWS then ask you to call/Text to give your opinion? …huh, Listen B, The man is highly capable of speaking his mind on this matter bc he was there from the Jump, he saw the rise & fall of the ROC,…and guess what, he had front row seats too. He’s keeping it 100…knew off these Cats way before the world knew them.
If you don’t like his opinion, formulate your own; find an audience that will care to listen to it…until then “Off That”
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November 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
@ Big I respect your comments but Jay is not the most influential of his era? That’s not even arguable. I would have a tougher time finding a #2 than I would saying that Jay is #1 in terms of influence.
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Big Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
You’re right its not arguable!!
Everything he’s done has been largely influenced by Nas! And if you really look at the culture of Eminem for the last 12yrs there has been single-handedly no rapper to impact and change the culture like him.. He took lost young rock fans and made them hip hop fans thats not even debatable! Jay-Z didnt change the culture he just blended in and made corporate sponsorships the foundation of his approach.. Its not that rappers weren’t doing movies or having mainstream appeal before him!
But if you don’t respect that the biggest name in hip hop since 1993 has been Dr. Dre he has giving the industry MEGA STARS and is the most powerful brand in hip hop!!
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Brooklyn B Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
how is it that jay “bites” everyone and such and such again but the guys that he posed to have bite from aint doing it like jay?
if nas been largely influencial to everything jay been doing (according to your post) then why isnt nas even close to what jay have done or is doing?
its like it kills u guys to give the man his props.
i always hear how jay “bit” biggie but no one mentions how BIG told busta (this came frm a busta quote in one of them 10 year anniversaries of ready to die in the xxl) that jay was the next to blow?
rakim and eric b both big up jay and what he’s doing
chuck d actually said that jay is in a league of his own and is moving hip hop foward.
big daddy kane is another one that co-sign jay and shopped him around to these rec execs and they aint see the vision.
all these i heard on eric b and friends on allhiphop radio so its most recent
but STILL people act like this guys whole career was a mistake or pure luck.
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SONNIE BRIM Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
WHILE AT COLUMBIA ( SONY ) NAS HAD THE WORSE RECORD DEALS OF ALL ELITE RAPPERS. IT WASNT UNTIL THAT DEF-JAM CONTRACT, THAT HAD HIM SEEING MAJOR PAPER…LISTEN TO THE TAKEOVER, HOV BREAKS IT DOWN…
NAS WUD PROLLY BE A PROFITABLE AS EM AND JAY HAD “IT WAS WRITTEN” CAME OUT ON DEF-JAM, THAT IS STILL TIL THIS DAY ONE OF THE TOP 5 RAP RECORDS OF ALL TIME.
Big Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Nas not where Jay is because he didnt sellout….
His career isn’t a mistake or pure luck its A FUCKING FRAUD!!!
Brooklyn B Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
“Nas not where Jay is because he didnt sellout….
His career isn’t a mistake or pure luck its A FUCKING FRAUD!!!”
@ BIG
why u being so vague
nas isnt where jay is cause he (nas) didnt sellout. thats ur opinion not a fact
how did jay “sell out”? by being independent? by being a owner? u do realize 2 things
1) these same rappers would love to be in jays SOCKS let alone his shoes
and
2) the same story was said about MC hammer. he was a sellout and all that
and once mc hammer went away them same rappers that dissed him (LL and Ice cube to name a few) is doing what he started.
his career isnt a mistake its a fraud? smh@ your vague statments based off your opinion.
a 40 year old independent rapper that owns his shit is selling out nowadays huh?
and being a old rapper still signed to a label being jerked and trying to keep up with the youngin’s is i guess keepin it real?
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Big Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
I swear I wish info had a site where I could track my post and give you details about how he’s a fraud! Just wont do it again I have gone into detail more than 1000000000 times about his fraud of a career and I’m running out of energy.. son!! J-Hova is whatever you want him to be but to me hes a fan,a phony, a fake, a fraud a stan!!
NOT THE BEST ALL TIME
NOT THE BEST OR HIS ERA
NOT A NATIONAL TREASURE!!
PUT THAT NIGGA IN PERSPECTIVE!!
WHO THE FUCK IS JAY Z?
S7 Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
” the same story was said about MC hammer. he was a sellout and all that and once mc hammer went away them same rappers that dissed him (LL and Ice cube to name a few) is doing what he started.”
-Brooklyn B
WTF????? Dude seriously take your own advice and explain yourself ’cause that shit right there nigga was vague and based of YOUR opinion…
Brooklyn B Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 9:17 am
@S7
aight maybe i was vague. but in the 90s tribe, cube and i want to say LL cool J dissed MC hammer for being to commercial and after the tear down of hammer what do you see
rappers doing the same thing that mc hammer was dissed for
u can look up info on hammer and im sure they’ll reference this
but i was 9 or 10 round this time and remember it.
so too make my self clear
the same way people are tearing at jay z these same guys would love to be in his shoes or mimic his moves
@big
i have to agree to disagree with u. ur trying to convince me that a “fraud” can influence others with shit that he “stole” frm other rappers.
@mr wayne
jay is also solidified as the GOAT and he got co-signs frm rappers that YOU would deem legends he also get co-signs frm people that dont even fucks with him like dat so that cant be questioned so i dont get what is getting twisted?
u are aware that nas and jay can both be great at what they do, i think people get THAT twisted
Mr_Wayne Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
What exactly do you mean when you say “Where JZ is”? Nas is solidified as one of IF THE greatest of all time.
He’s made LOTS of money. LOTS. JZ is a good business man. I think people get that twisted.
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November 10th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
…flex really didn’t speak on the main issues Beans was addressing.
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November 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
“I wanna be sooooooooooo clear New York, Jersey, Connecticut” haha I love how Flex sounds like he is reading a haiku poem when he talks. I pretty much agree with what he was saying though. Beans shoulda realized it was over when he was sitting next to 50 in that iview…50 over there cosigning like he was in the Rocafella offices “right..right”.
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November 10th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
I aint feelin none of them. Jay gave Beans a brand name he movie money clothing company and all he had to do was lead his team but he wanted to be in the streets and get locked up over and over and Jay been tellin him in his rhymes and all dat to clean up his act and put a suit on and grow up. But now Jay should jus let him go he only got threes years left before jayZ and his free masons take over the world and leave us common folk for dead its all good. Holla back at a mack
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SONNIE BRIM Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
HUH? BRAND NAME, IN PA THE BROAD STREET BULLY WAS KNOWN WAAAAAAAAY B4 ROC-A-FELLA SCOOPED HIM. BEANS AND OCSHINO WERE KNOWN AS WERE OMILLIO SPARKS. DAME GAVE BEAN THE CLOTHING LINE! I RESPECT BEAN BCUS HE AINT LET THE GAM CHANGE HIM, LOOK AT REASONABLE DOUBT HOV VS. BLUEPRINT 3 HOVA…SOMETHING TO FROWN UPON, AS THE VERY THIGN U SWORE YOU NEVER BECOME – U BECAME… AND THATS A SELL OUT!!!!
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Brooklyn B Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
” RESPECT BEAN BCUS HE AINT LET THE GAM CHANGE HIM,”
and him not changing is why he stayed in and outta jail
theres nothign “real” about not growing up
and if ur NOT gonna change then u cant complain when ur life stay the same.
now thats “real”
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November 10th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Biggest.Cornball.Evar
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November 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
flex you know this business can be foul and alot of the people you do business with are real shady people and i know you might be afraid to speak the truth but you know the deal
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November 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
on another note all these artist cant be wrong about the people who run it !! yall need to build the artist a&r and educate them google rap coalition
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November 10th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Jay-z/Rocafella had no ethical or legal obligation to maintain Siegel’s musical career or financial well being.
Beans minimal buzz died years ago during one of his many jail stints, along with the fact he never produced a hit single.
Artists are commodities to a label, once you cease to be a valuable commodity, you’re essentially useless.
People with a loser mentality tend to exert energy pointing the blame at others for their shortcomings, i.e Beans, Jaz-O.
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November 10th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Mikey Fresh, have you seen this video? I think it’s a must watch. LOL!
Jaz-O interview Speaks On Beanie Sigel vs Jay-Z
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiIAQR8PNTA
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K-Dubb Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Jaz-O been talkin shit about Jay-Z for more than 10 years & STILL nobody is listening. Nigga give it up the rap game & go fill out a job application!
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Cousin Wigs Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 9:13 am
I watched the video. I was just shocked at how he looked. Damn these been some extra long years for him.
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November 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
flex didn’t speak on the issues that beans was addressing. how can flex say people coming at jay cause he popping. flex plz go back and listen to the album he took shots at beans. once again flex is and will forever be a dick rider.
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November 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Well said Flex, that is why the big dog and Angie Ma run NYC radio objective, honest, opinions calling out the faults of both sides despite there personal relationships with the parties involved. Most interesting quotes:
“I think Jay was wrong for not letting Sigel out the contract because once an artist tells you he’s upset or tells you he wants to leave, I think you should let him leave.”
“Don’t get caught up in the attention that you get because you say something disrespectful, now all of the sudden everybody pushes a camera in your face, and you think they care about your opinion, cause they don’t. They care about the person your talking about”, “50-cent has mastered that, that’s his craft I would leave that to 50″
“Anytime Jay-Z used to come in this building, I was always just concerned about the Jay-Z album, when he’s gonna do this gonna do that, but he was like yeah flex but I got this memphis bleek album I got this Beanie Sigel album, I remember he told me about Sigel.”
“Just make good records. I think this is all a waste of time, if Hov didn’t have a good album no one would care. No one said anything during the last album a year ago. I guess everyones getting a little scared he’s starting to pull away from the pack again and when I say everyone I mean EVERYONE.”
“A restart!..That means there was a start!” LOL
“Is it cause your not on the Roc-Nation, well you weren’t supposed to be on the Roc-Nation I’m a firm believer NY in having your turn, if you had your turn and your shot then that’s it you had your turn and your shot, what you do with it is your decision, it’s not my decision to put money in the piggy bank for you, what are we upset about here…”
Those were the most interesting points to me that flex made and they are all valid points he’s got a perspective that we can’t have he’s seen this Roc-A-Fella thing at it’s earliest stages from the inside, all the way to his eventual dismantling, and re-birth as the Roc-Nation so I’m glad he weighed in on it. With that said for god sakes may he be the last and may this be over with so we can focus on what’s right with hip-hop today, like the Wale album, can he translate great critical acclaim and mix-tape success into a successful recording career, and 50-Cent’s new album out today can he recapture the fire of his first release after a few sub par followups and remain amongst the upper echelon of this ever changing hip-hop seen.
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November 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
JAYZ IS ASS…WHEN NAS DROPPED ETHER U SHOULD OF HEARD HOW MUCH OF A BITCH ASS HE WAS WHEN HE WAS ON THE RADIO( THAT WAS THE REAL JAYZ) AND 50 CENT IS ASS… 50 TALKS SO MUCH SHIT BUT HIDES BEHIND POLICE ( WHERE THEY DO THAT AT? )
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November 10th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
All this talk of Jay giving Beans things…What did Beans give Jay? How bout actual street cred, because as I recall correctly, many folks weren’t sold on Jay after Reasonable Doubt. The whole Roc La Familia era wasn’t all Jay-Z. It was Beans bringing those Philly boys wit him, Bleek, and the feeling that RocaFella was actually a movement instead of a camel and that other bald guy. Beans and Bleek gave the bark and grit that Jay COULD NOT AND NEVER DO.
How is Jay a biter? I will give you a few examples
1) Das Efx flow in the early 90s. See his feature on Big L’s Lifestyles album, or the freestyle Jay had with L, where L obviously makes Jay look silly.
2) Reasonable Doubt drops, all of a sudden he’s mafioso. Riding off the steam of The Infamous, illmatic, OBFCL, peep his samples of Nas, and Prodigy.
3)Biggie and Pac are dead, Puffy topping the charts with his horrible music. Can’t work with Puffy? Grab Jermaine Dupree.
I’m not gonna break down every infraction, because that’s just silly.
I don’t care about his money, who he knows, or what he does. I DON’T KNOW HIM. What I do know is his music, and from 1st track to BP3, Jay has consistently ridden the wave of whatever style is popular. He is the ultimate chameleon and too many people fall for it. HE SUCKS.
THE PROBLEM WITH RAP MUSIC IS FANS ARE AFRAID TO CRITIQUE RAPPERS NOW.
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MR GREASE Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Big L did not make Jay look silly on that freestyle, your way off!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYfKMIdoJL0
Everybody influenced each other back then. It’s not that people are afraid to critique rappers, there’s too many fans who never listened to hip-hop back then but act like they know what was poppin back then.
In a few years people are goin to be saying the same about 50 Cent. History repeats itself.
Jay-Z Vs Jaz O
Nas Vs 2Pac
Ja Rule Vs 50 Cent.
Thats like saying Get Rich or Die Tryin is a bootleg of Venni Vetti Vecci. To a cat that don’t know about hip-hop, they’ll buy that argument and say 50 Cent is a chameleon too.
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S7 Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
“Everybody influenced each other back then” – MR GREASE
Fam, you’re way off. If you used someone else’s style you was labeled a biter/shark. No matter what part you played in HipHop (Breaking, Graff, Scratching, Rhyming’) you had to be Original.
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MR GREASE Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Pac accused Nas of biting his style so will you co-sign calling Nas a biter/shark?
B.I.G rapped about his influences on Juicy so i’m not way off! Just the same way The Game talks about Easy E. Ja Rule talked about 2 Pac.
Rakim influenced Nas do you disagree?
S7 Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Nas didn’t bite his style, but he did tat his stomach like Pac. The person who jacked Pac style was JaRule… do the knowledge to CMC (Blunt Records) JaRule compared to the JaRule in JZ’s video “Can I Get A”.
As far as the Game being influenced by Eazy-E, nothing wrong with that. They’re a generation apart. Same with Nas and Ra, or JayZ and King Asiatic Nobody Equal or PE and NWA.
Now if you said Rakim and EPMD or LL and MC Shan or Das and Fu-Shnickens or ATCQ and them dudes KRS-One threw off the stage, then I would understand.
Natty Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
I’m not afraid to say Lil wayne sucks…
If it’s bad it’s bad but BP3 is a good album, better than kingdom come
Jay-z never disappointed me.
I think jay-z loves haters because they’re already talk about him
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November 10th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
this whooole situation should be dead………..
clap for 50 for capitalizing off another man…..
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November 10th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Something I posted on another site about JZ calling himself the “best rapper alive” and Rakim co-signing:
It’s debatable what it takes to be the “best rapper alive” or “of all-time”.
JZ is in a financial position that overshadows arguments of his actual talent. Let’s think about it in another perspective. Say for instance, Mos Def’s “you haven’t been challenged” perspective. Mos says this w/ diss tracks aside, but for this argument that’s only one of the many options one can go by.
When you look at JZ’s accomplishments only a few names can truly be debated w/ or against him.
Exhibit A: 2Pac challenged JZ on 3 tracks. The first being “Hit ‘Em Up” which originally had 2Pac stating “F**k JZ!” etc.
Verdict: JZ for w/e reason didn’t reply (or @ least directly). 2Pac won by default. I’ll let you guys fill in those reasons.
Exhibit B: JZ Ft. BIG-”Brooklyn’s Finest”
Verdict: A 23 yr old BIG rapping alongside a 26 yr old JZ. BIG rhymed since the early 90’s. JZ since the late 80’s. Do the math. Talent out-shined age and “wisdom in the rap game”, as BIG proved that for himself on this track.
Exhibit C: Beef w/ Pun and Pun being lyrically better than JZ.
Verdict: JZ was shook when it came to Pun. Especially after their incident @ the club w/ the bottle of Crys that was thrown. No one outside of NY heard about this because JZ was too shook to say anything in his rhymes. Pun threw a jab or two. No one heard a whisper from JZ’s corner of the Hip Hop world @ that time. Pun dies… couple yrs later JZ feels like there’s no one left to question the “king of NY” status, so he goes after Nas. We know what happened after that though…
Exhibit D: DMX VS JZ Freestyle Battle.
Verdict: DMX won. JZ lost. Next.
Exhibit E: JZ Ft. Em-”Renegade”
Verdict: I’m not an Em fan at all. Talented guy, just don’t care for him personally. As a fan of JZ’s work prior to this track, I was left in awe of that “white boy”. His “flow is foolish”. I hated to admit that “Em killed J on that track”. It’s true though, Em “murdered him” on his own $#!+.
Exhibit F: Nas-”Ether” and the entire JZ vs Nas battle.
Verdict: Bottom line, JZ got “Ethered”. As a former JZ fan I can’t deny that even before “Ether” Nas was killin JZ. From the subliminal in “We Will Survive” to the crushing defeat of Bleek in “Da Bridge 2001″ which threw clever jabs and shots towards JZ; to the “Stillmatic Freestyle (H to the Omo)” to “U Wanna Be Me” and beyond, Nas was consistently lyrical and ferocious in this battle. I can not honestly say the same for JZ.
JZ didn’t have that fire after “The Takeover”. If not for his connections (I’ll let you fill in that blank) and his courtship to Beyonce which solidified his presence in mainstream media, he would have fallen into Hip Hop obscurity. Not necessarily mediocrity.
My opinions are just that, OPINIONS. I just want JZ fans and even JZ Stan’s to think outside the box. How can an artist no matter how much money they have, consider themselves the “best rapper alive” or “of all-time” off of sales, chart positions, debuts etc and not look at direct challenges as a source?
Think about this, JZ’s been challenged by a few notable artists since “Ether” and hasn’t done much to answer back. Why? “JZ ain’t got time for that, he’s makin too much money, he’s got Beyonce” etc.
Kings of the past, when challenged would meet the challenger head on defending his kingdom. If not they would lose their thrown and kingdom correct? If you have “no time because you’re making money” then you don’t deserve the crown as king in this “competitive sport” called Rap. You deserve to be called one of the “best/greatest business moguls of Hip Hop” but not the “best/greatest Rapper alive or of all time”. He’s ONE of the best. Not THE best.
Side note: After releasing BP3 we see he’s stolen Kanye West’s swag. On some Ye-Z type $#!+ now.
1.Nas
2.The Notorious B.I.G.
3.Rakim
4.2Pac
5.Eminem
6.Jay-Z
7.KRS One
8.Big Daddy Kane
9.Ice Cube
10.Big Pun
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Cousin Wigs Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 9:28 am
That comment took a lot of thought and effort and was intelligent. Thanks.
Disagree with you list but thats why its YOUR list.
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Mr_Wayne Reply:
November 12th, 2009 at 12:47 am
Thank you for your honesty.
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November 10th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Flex,
hows that ban on Interscope going?
How you going to speak on this situation and you don’t know what started it all. Ask Jay on air, why did he call the alphabet boys on Beans. Or are you worried about Jay not hitting you off with some exclusive RocNation songs to drop bombs to?
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November 11th, 2009 at 12:05 am
people are not understanding that shawn
stepped up in 95 commercially..
and is still dominating in 09…
there is no model for that u idiots..
u can’t hold precedent -to popular belief
bumbuhcl hhot
and what’s all this shit about SP
deodorizing the roc with all this street cred’
please negros…
jada kiss spanked the shit outa sigel effortlessly… sigel n ‘em are good team players ..i’ll give em that…50 and sigel should do good together in all honesty
but kill all this shawn carter blasphemy
if anyone did anybody dirty
state property vs philadelphia should be the case
Sp aint really rep philly right.. in my opinion..
Major figgas had it.. MF all day..
as far as Jaz-o
i can’t front on dude.. big up 2 tha originator..
but Mr. miyagi can’t be out there fuc’n it
up for daniel son (the karate kid)
..what’s the point in that?
shout out ta sauce money..
i wonder what he has to say about
all the fuc_ery
i’ll never forget when he blazzed loon
obesely -bar wize(over a loon instrumental)
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November 11th, 2009 at 12:30 am
He really didnt say anything that has not been said already so did he let us know
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November 11th, 2009 at 1:14 am
While I respect Flex’s role in the history of this game and helping to bring it where it is today, HE IS SUCH A CORNBALL!!! HE REALLY SOUNDS LIKE A JAY Z STAN!!! (THIS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO IS A BIG JAY FAN, MUSICALLY AT LEAST)
FIRSTLY THE ONLY REASON BEANS MADE THE RECORD IS BECAUSE OF JAYS SLICK TALK ON BP3 SO IF ANYTHING JAY WAS WRONG FOR SAYING WHAT HE SAID FIRST.
SECONDLY EVERYTHING HE SPOKE ABOUT IS WHAT BEANS SAID THIS NOT ABOUT
HE NEEDS TO JUST STICK TO HIS PAY FOR PLAY DJ SHOW AND KEEP DOING WHAT HE DOES BEST WHICH IS PLAYINGTHE SAME DAMN SONGS EVERYNIGHT!!!!
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November 11th, 2009 at 10:36 am
what was the line that Jay said specially?
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November 11th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
OMG…
Too much hate and love on this topic.
But still much interest.
That’s why this guy has accomplished more than others, his fame will remain, no matter what, or who he is really.
Imagine after his death how popular he’s gonna be?!
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