Thu 14 May 2009
verrry interesting. Thanks to Sarah from 105.9 for sending over this morning’s audio of Joe Budden on Ed Lover’s show addressing his gripes with Vibe’s Best Rappers playoff bracket.
It all started when Joe and Joell debated the efficacy of the battle on youtube:
Well, today, Joe said in no uncertain terms: “I will cut that dude’s head off his shoulders…and to whoever’s listening…google me, if all you know is ‘pump pump pump it up.’”
Then Method Man called in to respond. But the fundamental miscommunication seemed to be in the meaning of the challenge. Joe felt that he was confidently standing up for his lyrical skills. Meth felt that Joe was disrespecting him outside the music, and…even making a threat against his livelihood?
Method Man responds to Joe on Ed Lover
debate and discuss. is this a case of two emcees, on two very different levels, speaking at each other but not understanding each other? Are either or both wrong….Joe in the start, Meth at the end? And…is it ever wrong to voice your opinion? Should Joe learn how to voice his opinion more diplomatically? Or is that a slippery slope that too many social-butterfly celebs already slide on. (Then there’s the very base issue: who really would win a lyrical battle)
UPDATE:
Melle Mel has posted his response…after the jump
May 14th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Joe Budden is a clown. He is dreamin if he thinks he is on Meth’s level. He only famous cause of his girl.
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May 14th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
#1 if only more rappers would speak their true mind and not some machine BS Rap would be better off. YOu think KRS1 was afraid to speak his mind (no I’m not comparing Joe to KRS).
#2 lyrically Joe will murder Mef
#3 but Meth has more medals in this rap game then Budden
I think rappers get too salty over petty ish. Of course Mef gotta defend himself. But on some real ish, he hasn’t spit nothin hot since Blackout and that’s real talk. I wish he did, but he hasn’t.
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Here’s the problem. MCs should be able to respect each other as men and as artists. Especially Joe Budden, who’s catalog is not yet up to par with that of a Method Man. But, if Joe really feels as though Meth can’t take him in a battle, then Meth has to step up to the plate and silence that noise. This is not the same thing as say a Jim Jones trying to build hype around an album release date by getting at Jay. You don’t have to be a Jay stan to know that, Jim doesn’t stand a chance lyrically against Hov. But if an MC is calling you out to go lyric for lyric, then shit the battle needs to go down regardless of who’s who and what’s what. Plus Budden, called him out live on radio. I don’t even think they should battle on wax, they should pick a neutral venue, stand on opposite sides of the pool table with the gwap in the middle, and get it poppin’. Fight Klub style.
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Vibe what have you done? Lord now you got these men potentially beefing because some moron with a lack of hip hop history made a shady playoff bracket?First off i was a meth fan before Joe. What the hell am i saying , of course i had to be. Buddens came like a decade later.Anyways Meth need to pick up the notepad. Buddens need to as well. And let the lyrical onslaught begin. If they have a psychical beef over this like i said in a other blog …I’M DONE WITH HIP HOP. I’m all for some loud mouth punk getting the beats. However this is not the situation for it. I think meth got a little heated about joey getting at him like that. For years he has been getting his pen game questioned. Understandably he is right. But those were critics that never wrote a lyric. I think it is different if a worthy contender comes along and have the same doubts.
If Buddens cut down Meth i think the world should start considering Buddens Top 15 dead or alive. Come on now we give Em number 1 rapper alive for what? Not for his people skills. Because he ate up everybody that went against him. He might’ve had some soft foes. But think about Everlast was apart of the legendary House of pain. He knock off potential a legend. My point is hip hop lost the essence of battling. When corny muthafuckers couldn’t take losing anymore and it became violent. All this battle will be doing is just proving hip hop can still have competition without the threat of violence being involved.
Oh Yeah i put my money BUDDENS… don’t ask why!
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Redman is timeless, he would break thru in any era. Buddens is drunk off of booty juice obviously.
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
METH IS 1 OF THE ONLY MCS TO EVER GO LINE FOR LINE N ALMOST.. ALMOST… OUTSHINE BIG ON A TRACK ” THE WHAT”
BUDDEN IS A BEAST.HE IS A NEW SCHOOL MC WITH BETTER METAPHORS,PUNCH LINES,WORD PLAY.
METH ISNT A SLOUCH BUT ITS LIKE LEBRON IN HIS PRIME PLAYING AGAINST MAGIC IN HIS. LEBRON IS BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER.
OR LIKE LENNOX LEWIS IN HIS PRIME FIGHTING ALI.. HE’S BIGGER , STRONGER.
METH HAS WORDPLAY BUT NOT TO THE POINT WHERE I WOULD SAY HE CAN BATTLE THESE NEWER CATS.
I THINK METHS EGO GOT TOUCHED WEHN JOE STATED HIS OPINION, NIF METH REALLY HAS A BIG ENOUGH PROBLEM HE SHOULD BATTLE JOE N AT THE END THEY CAN HAVE A MUTUAL RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER.
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
StreetPoet…everything you said was on point bruh, especially that last paragraph
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Im a fan of both these artist…Thing is I think Joe lookin too deep into this…Vibes bracket has no clout…you can look at the list and tell its set up for certain artist to win, they do this so it keeps the people coming to their site so they get that barcardi money…some of the rappers shouldnt be on there…but they are, to provide easy wins, because lets be honest, they will get more visits with a hov vs em matchup, rather than a monche vs bis matchup
though budden brings up a good point about rappers are too unwilling to display they skills, what happened to dudes just goin at each other on wax…now they get so offended because they know they lack the skills, that they just want to fight…it really isnt that serious
could joe see mef in a battle…likely
but meth is still a legend at the end of the day
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
MEF TOOK IT TOO PERSONAL, JOE BELIEVES HE CAN OUT RAP EVERYBODY, THATS WHAT EVERY RAPPER SHOULD THINK WHEN THEY THAT BOOTH IF NOT THEY ARE CHEATING US THE FANS!!!!!!!!
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Simple solution like method man said,let them both rap on the same track for 32 bars and let the people decide..not a problem cause a face to face might spark some physical violence we dont need.Method man is my age(older) so we’re too grown for that and hell joe is my age,so I dont see the point of him really throwin meth under the bus like that.Oh yea miss info..wassup!
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
oooh…miss info’s fav group of all pre-dipset…and maybe post(lol) vs one of her underground favs…and both are her homies(at least joe is, i kno u cool with mef)…
how do u feel about this Info..without really pickin sides? decisions decisions….
on another note id take this one over ross,fifty or even joe, ransom
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missinfo Reply:
May 14th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
I don’t want artists to be punished for having vocal opinions, popular or unpopular. because that’s what most boring about so many celebs. That middle road ish.
Also, I love Joe’s bullheadedness. But that being said…I think that anyone would take offense at the way Joe characterized Meth’s current skill. And it doesnt matter if you preface it with “no disrespect” or “I’m a fan but…”
Also, I feel like I posted a freetyle from Meth recently that I really liked. But then again, its a different STYLE than what Joe’s style is….
Now what also troubles me is the non-lyrical threat in Meth’s reaction…which is nothing new from Wu, but outdated and counterproductive. But…also, the right of any man to have. Again, its the right of anyone to be wrong. Or wrong in my eyes, which could be different than wrong in yours.
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Joe a raison dans un sens cette liste est stupide, c’est de la musique de toute façon, pas de compétition, les gouts se discutent pas. Mais bon entre les deux pour moi Meth reste gagnant :p
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Ed regulate joe… danmm
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Joe Budden could say everything he wanted more RESPECTFULLY. You don’t criticize a dudes talent that harshly and not expect a dust up. Joe Budden is a great rapper, one of the best right now. But he should be demonstrate some of the respect he claims to have for his peers. Method Man NEVER claimed to be the best rapper but he has put out a LARGE amount of material that many hip hop fans respect and enjoy. You could also make the argument that amongst todays rappers Joe himself does not rate very high. He routinely gets out shined lyrically within his own crew (Slaughterhouse), and lacks the commercial success of other lyrical heavyweights, i.e. Fabolous and Jadakiss. I’m all with Joey wanting rappers to step up, but I think he went about it wrong.
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Glad you opened the floor on this topic!
I think this battle is ridiculous. Joe had every right to be mad about the Vibe bracket, which I actually thought was a cool idea because we all love competition in hip-hop, but he went over the top in directing aim at rappers placed above him by name. They didn’t make the bracket.
Both Joe and Meth are two of my favorite MCs ever to enter the game, but to answer your question they’re both wrong here. Joe, of course, for the name dropping and then continuing to fuel the fire and Meth for not letting it go as typical battle MC trash talk.
Who would win a lyrical battle? I don’t want to find out. I like both these guys and won’t be feeling any tracks where they’re verbally cutting each others heads off.
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
After joe flimed this clip for joe budden tv he had to know it was going to ruffle some feathers. I Agree with Meth when he said who cars about a VIBE list or bracket or ranking.
Joe made a dumb face after he said prodigy name and that was uncalled for.
Its to the point now every 3 months joe pulls a stunt to get some shine back on him
and everybody peeps his pattern which is corny.
joe can rap he is good. Meth can rap he was never the best in the clan but he wasnt no u -god or masta killa lets be real.
Ransom got locked up over a stupid back and forth with Joe. Even when Mood music 2 and 3 all those shots he sent at Hov it just corny after a while.
JOe need to worry about keeping up with crooked and Joell in slaughter house they have killed him on group tracks.
And to be real joe was never shittin on fab or Stack on any of those old desert storm group tracks.
Joe needs to go some where and make a real album instead of these moods musics that only get played for a few weeks than done. Go make a classic and then talk greasy.
(side note they sayin killa lookin at 45k sales .. i thought he would at least do 90k)
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missinfo Reply:
May 14th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
yeah, Im hearing different than those #s
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
yoo joe buddens is talking reckless.. what gets me mad is how joe buddens tried to sell records and be commercial.. then when his album flopped and he took 9 yrs to make a new album and it’s in the process of flopping again he starts to hate on everybody.. its like he was with being commercial at first but since he sucked at it now he has a problem with everybody else.. i lost 100% respect for buddens ever since he had that problem with ransom in which he said he had footage of him and his peoples rolling up on ransom punking him down and what not and threatened to release it if ransom kept talking shit.. the same day ransom rolled up on joey’s boys front punch and smacked the dude.. and u would think joey would release the footage like he promised rite?? hell no joey recorded a video talking about its getting out of hand and he needs to be the better man about it.. if that was the case then why would u popp shit in the first hand.. joey is a pussy.. everybody in jersey knows it.. i lost total respect for the fag.. go write another 10 minute song and choke on ur fucking mic while ur at it.. he has to talk shit to get attention because tahiry is stealing all of his shine.. and i bet she leaves that nigga soon.. she got too much ass for that fag..
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Joe Budden is telling the truth and people are failing to realize he is talking as a fan first. Half of the world is saying the same thing really about that list and Method Man ain’t never been on anybody’s list real talk. Funny grown A** men catching feelings because somebody said they don’t like their rhymes and they can rap batter than them. Like really is it really that serious to even talk about violence this is sad really.
My money is on Joe Budden all day. Method Man really knows he can’t get at Joe lyrically thats why he start talking about him personally. And Method Man must really be out the loop saying aint nobody talking about Joe Budden I can’t really remember the last time anybody was talking about Method Man or even checking for him really but I know a gang of people waiting on the slaughter house stuff.
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Joe’s right hate it or love it Meth doesn’t have a chance neither do most people on the list. I wish it wasn’t true I hate joe he’s a fucking great rapper and Im still listening to mood musik 1 thru 3 and the other 2 fucking albums that’s my only playlist on my iPod I play it over and over again LOL the person who made that list more than likely never heard any of the above albums if they did they are not hiphop real talk. Years ago I would of never taught this nigga would be my favorite rapper and now this slaughterhouse shit just wait and see. On that note fuck u joe budden and thank u for the great music LOL
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
people have too wake up, the past is the past..o.k meth is part of rap history, but that’s it…meth is lunch food for joe, joe is the most underrated rapper of all time.
meth knows what time it is, he wont get in that booth…and if he does, he’s gonna get BODIED!!!!!!!!
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Joe and Prodigy have beef. Prodigy started it. Joe already ended it (forget the song). But that’;s where that comes from. It wasn’t uncalled for.
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
yeah listenin to the ed lover interview for the first time, they obviously are on 2 diff levels as far as understanding
meth sound like he was tryna take it street at one point lol
what vibe should of done, was actually call up these artist, to set up a real tourney…instead of this bullshit
and threw in a 2 mill prize to draw in some, because no one is just going to want to battle just to battle, cus most of them would end up lookin like clowns on the mic
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May 14th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
They need to battle live on stage. Making diss records back n forth is getting tired.
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May 14th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
SOMTHIN WRONG WIT SAYIN WUT U REALLY FEEL? METH TALKIN ALL THIS SHIT STREET SHIT BLAH BLAH BLAH…METH BEEN GONE A LONG TIME DOIN MOVIES N SHIT WHOS FUCKIN RADAR HE ON!? HE DROPPED NEW JOINT WIT RED YEA ITS POPPIN IM SURPRISED HE TOOK THIS SHIT SO SERIOUSLY IT AINT LIKE HIM
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May 14th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
You guys are idiots… Joe will chop this dude head off lyrically.
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May 14th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
I was waiting all day for you to post this Info and then it goes up while I’m on the train.LOL
I like Joe but I’m WU TANG all day. The thing with Joe, as you stated earlier is that his speech, although placed between “I respect Method Man” was far to aggressive and truthfully was a poor choice of words to begin with. The LAST group of people you wanna say “Cut his head off” is the WU and Joe’s a smart guy he knew he was using str8 Wu-like slang. He knew who he was addressing and calling out with THAT particular phrase. Joe’s super talented but he doesn’t like people to disagree with him. If the Vibe listing has no merit then how can u justify it by attacking an icon? This is very Canibus vs LL like but it can get much messier.
On a purely lyrical note.I can honestly see both MC’s winning.Joe’s a battle rapper by nature but Meth is sleeping beast that been provoked. And Joe has a lot more skeletons and dirt that can be used against him.
It really depends on what kind of playing field this battle happens on. If it’s viral/digital then Joe “I take my laptop to the strip club to twitter” Budden will win…but musically, the heavy fav is Meth cuz…….well, a lot of folk(including those close to Joe) think he’s an a$$hole.
Should be fun
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May 14th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Buddens biggest problem and his curse is he has put himself in this battle rapper field because he always speaks on lyricism. Rap has many forms and many different styles, his obsession with his own style and how good he is makes people ask for more and he never delivers. Method Man has never claimed to be the greatest but we all know he is very good at what he does. The greatest mc’s have always been more versatile or in Nas case just legendary at what he does. Budden has a right to his opinion but he like many of his fans have gotten caught up in a style of rap that is very new and hardly the “essence”. To downplay Meth’s ability is to say that what he does isn’t as good as what u do even tho they are totally different.
In the grand scheme of things a battle would not be good for Method because its not wat he does, long jumpers don’t battle high jumpers in the olympics. Its not Method Mans fault the fans haven’t taken to Buddens style and don’t appreciate it, he needs to do legendary things with it to be considered tops in this game and if that doesn’t work become versatile and do many things good and u will be acknowledged.
*sorry for the long windedness*
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May 14th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Joey would rip Meth apart. No contest.
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May 14th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
I don’t see how Meth is wrong. You also have to remember people have been getting at Meth’s skill for awhile so he’s aggy in general. But Budden is way out of line. How is he upset about a list that fans voted on? How Budden going to expect to place high when most people outside of the net don’t know who he is? I don’t get this Budden character. One things for sure, he’s getting some much needed PR.
It’s like Jennifer Hudson calling out Fantasia b/c she ain’t win Idol lol The people voted. Get over it.
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May 14th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
YOU SAW JOE PAUSED WHEN HE READ 50s NAME ON THE BRACKET LOL I KNOW HE WANTS TO CALL THAT NIGGA NAME BUT HE IS A REALISTIC DUDE. HE KNOWS HE WILL NOT HEAR THE END OF IT WHEN IS COMES TO FIF………….JOE OVER MEF TODAY, IN 2019 AND IN 3009
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May 14th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
(Holding back the anger of Royce not being put on that list)
Anyways, how can you people call Joey all these names? When he doing the same thing we all do… compare rappers. Is it a total taboo for you to say your better than a another person at a competitive profession these days? Shit, let me know i will stop now. This where industry , the media and others has brain washed fans to believing if you say your better than someone name your being the problem. Krs-one took Mc’s off stage if they wasn’t rocking the crowd right or if he felt the artist skills was questionable. David stern in the fucking NBA banned taunts for the that it is behavior unsportsmanlike . But the funny thing about all that is. Hip hop was built off battle so was basketball,football,baseball , hockey and fucking ect , ect. Not necessarily battling but competition.
I’m shocked at Meth response because did he battle Reakwon on his first album? Was there any hard feelings there. I’m really starting to think you Wu heads. Are scared to death of the thought that Budden might beat meth. And then the image of meth would be distorted . Like he don’t got it no more.I hope it doesn’t because to tell the truth. Every time Wu get in to some shit with another rapper. They always threaten them. No battle, no convo …NOTHING. Either someone get threaten or some gets beat up. But they can battle each other though with no problems RIGHT!? Fuck outta here!
Shall i continue …
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May 14th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
shu tout a faire d’accord avec 91130 loool METH !
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May 14th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
I just want to see a good battle!!
I don’t think Meth can compete with joey right now. My money is on joey Meth just isn’t relevant to me right now. Don’t get it twisted Meth and Red are legends in the game.
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May 14th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
@#21
I no where the beef stems from prodigy vlog about wack rappers.
Im saying if joe is saying lets be real then lets be real why shouldn’t P be ranked at #15. Joe actin like P hasn’t had classics verses from 95 that can’t be touched today.
@info I got those numbers from rap radar. I love his album tho reminds me of S.D.E
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May 14th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
If Joey was really a student of the game like he says he is, he would respect the legends…..Lebron would never say he’s better than Jordan…..Tyson never said he could knock Ali the fuck out….Tiger wouldn’t say he’s better than Jack Nicklaus……those are true students of their game…..Budden is just a chump.
I’m glad Ed Lover called him out for not knowing Cowboy. (not that i know exactly who he is)
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May 14th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
I’d like Joe more if he just stopped talking so much. He’s like the kid in middle school that just won’t shut up.
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May 14th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
I use to have respect for Joe but I must accept the fact he’s just a frustrated clown.
Really if I had to sum up his whole “career” in the music that is Hip Hop I would say DISAPPOINTING
Event though Meth music doesn’t reach the masses anymore he’s a legend in his own right. He never stole some fame trying to go sideways on other MCs.
Tha move from Budden was extra lame.
Joe is desperate for props he prolly should ask his girl for some buzz. smh
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May 14th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
i could understand why meth would feel some type of way at joe’s disrespectful tone… but thats joe!! like he said google him, but uhh.. in 09′… lyrically??… Joe > meth… in 09′…lyrically?? joe > wu tang
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May 14th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Never liked Joe Budden. Nuff said..
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May 14th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Budden has a point, that list is kinda fucked up! But Budden is stupid for singling or calling out rappers. (aka Method Man)
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May 14th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
while i love a strong opinion, an inflated sense of self can sometimes undermine the validity of that opinion. Joe’s statement that people’s opinions don’t matter is wrong because if they were to battle, the winner would be decided by PEOPLE’S OPINIONS! Joe is also underestimating Method Man. They have two different styles and therefore 2 different goals. Joe’s intelligence and depth of though always comes through in his music his goal, as he stated, is respect. Meth’s goals are a little lighter than that. He isn’t trying to “go in” so to speak. It’s much lighter fare, but it’s lighter by choice, not because that’s all he can do. If they were to both agree to a battle, I think Joe would see a different kind of Method Man and honestly, I think he’d be a little surprised. With that said, I think Joe would win! lol
Also Joe and Joell lost with the cowboy thing. There’s no excuse for that and even though Joe went a little crazy, Meth took it too far. It ain’t that deep
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May 14th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Yo fa real fukk that bitch ass nigga Hoe Budden. I’d took that shit the same mothafukkin way. All that lollipop shit budden be spittin is garbage. He get a lil youtube fame but tha nigga REALLY REALLY Aint street.
Not enough to fukk with tha folks Meth. Much love to meth for holding it down for his crown and settin that lil pussy ass nigga skr8. Joe got it twisted. He think cause all that youtube talk aint amount to no real street shit with all the other cats he tried to shine on that he was safe n shit.
Thats what none of you Industry niggaz understand. Fukk your industry folk and all that lip flappin. There is real street niggaz that aint gonna tolerate that shit. Joe stay the fukk in the studio and off a street niggaz dikk for you get pregnant by a 7.62.
That bitch WILL have ya fukkin stomach bulged like an Ethiopian.
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May 14th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Don’t do it Joe, Method Man is a damn legend like everything from the Wu to he’s solo projects like don’t clown dude. I think Joey is punching above he’s weight with Meth.
Joey was arguing with Ed Lover the Yo MTV raps dude who lives and reathes the hip-hop culture. Co-sign Ed Lover, “if you ain’t a student of the culture put the mic down!”
I’m happy with the challenge he’s putting forward, but Meth will win. Like your talkin about METHOD MAN??!!!
BIGGIE’S 1ST LP Tell me the M-E-T-H-O-D MAN weren’t on it?
Tell me that during the East Coast West coast BS Meth and Red didn’t do a joint with Pac,
Tell me Meth ain’t from the Wu and the nicest on the Wu?
I looked at the list
THE NOTORIOUS BIG BRACKET
JAY-Z WINNER!!!
PIMP C BRACKET
LIL WAYNE!!!
Jeezy came very close because he’s consistent with what he does I’m not feelin the whole Rock album thing Weezy is trying to do,
Actually I give that bracket to YOUNG JEEZY!!! Bun B is dope, Scarface too but Mr Soul Survivor Jeezy is my choice.
TUPAC BRACKET WAS REALLY TOUGH TO DECIDE
NAS aka Nasty Nas aka Esco IS THE WINNER!!!!
THE BIG PUN BRACKET
The peoples choice would be Andre 3Stacks but I don’t feel the same, it’s gotta be the dude from Straight Outta Compton aka Mr NWA ICE CUBE. Even though I bump Red and Meth just as hard.
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May 14th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
eminem should not be no.1, in my opinion! Motherfuckers really idolize the shit out of eminem, and he has seriously battled a bunch of nobodies, but that’s just me. I think persons like Pharoahe Monch, Redman, Supernatural, Rhymefest, canibus, J. Ortiz, Jigga, Nas, Rae, Kool G Rap, Kane, There’s a whole lot out there to me that are far better. If Joe Buddens sat down and wrote some shit, then yeah he can beat Meth, if meth wrote nothing. But if in writing or freestyle, I don’t think Joe could beat Meth. I looked at the Vibe list, and almost choked when I saw them rank Redman @ 102nd. That’s a fuckin shame.
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May 14th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
IF KRS TALKS ABOUT BUDDEN, ITS THAT JOE IS A DOPE CAT BUT YEA MEF IS A LEGEND BECAUSE OF THE WU STORY AND TICAL THUS U KNOW METH HAS A LEGENDARY STATUS NOW ! CHARISMA, FAME AND PLATINIUM ISH ! BUDDEN AINT AROUND
BUT BARS FOR BARS, SLAUGHTERHOUSE FEELINGS
LYRICISM TALKS BUDDEN IS DOPE ! METH IS STILL DOPE BUT ITS NOT THE GOLDEN ERA NOW SO
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May 14th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
cosign SHY !!!!
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May 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Who cares about the misunderstanding?? Bring it!!! I want some lyrical beef… the good ol’ days are back… no more boo boo tv or monkey!!! just punchlines
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Mj Reply:
May 14th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Btw it is nice to see joe budden speaking without a homegrown booty as a landscape
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May 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Diz is d only reason y i neva liked diz guy budden..Ma thing wuz der were people like plies,bow wow, even ODB, 50 cent he neva sed shit den u decide 2 go at meth! like meth sed real talk budden iz realy crazy poppin pills n shit
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May 14th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
My bad, The Diddy Vs Jim Jones Bracket you gotta go with The Dipset Capo. Pray IV Reign is a decent album.
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May 14th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Joe Buttons always says something disrespectful and leans on whether it can be on a lyrical or street note depending on the response of the individual.. dude is a straight clown i wish meth just ends his shit forever.. THERES A REASON WHY YOU DON’T GET NO LOVE BUTTONS, LOOK AT YOUR OWN CHARACTER FIRST FUCKFACE
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May 14th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Its 105.1 not 105.9!!and both these guys suck!!Oh and lil wayne bit this line”you suck but i suck–seed”off of trends of culture’s grapevine.
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May 14th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
This one reflects poorly on Joe simply because Meth has such a strong standing with fans and his peers alike. As he said, you don’t see him starting anything with other dudes for no reason and it would seem Joe over stepped a necessary level of mutual respect on this one.
I’m all for Joe tearing down clowns and wack artists but this just seemed like him needing to start something with a bigger name that he knows he can win against in a battle/diss track scenario. Lame on Joe’s part and if not this time, these continued antics and random shots at other folks minding their own business are gonna rub people the wrong way and backfire on him. I woulda thought Joe was a smarter dude than to go this route.
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May 14th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
“in star wars I’m Han solo, with 3 egos, and three charges, I gotta see three POs (C3PO)”
This is truly the breaking point between raps gen X (80s babies) and rap 3.0 (Internet born and raised). If you can get on a track with 1) all of wu tang at their apex 2) biggie at his apex and 3) PAC in his prime (do remember)…. And steal the show…. There is not an argument IMHO. Maybe I’m borderline old head, but this is crazy to me
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May 14th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
who should win: Q tip
who will: Eminem or Weezy Fuckin Baby (c’mon really? can u even no homo that?)
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May 14th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
I agree with Joe Budden…Honestly, everything he said makes sense to me. People that dont even write there own rhymes who have been outted for not writing like Foxy Brown and Lil Bow Wow should even be on the list! I luv people and they legends but foxy didnt write a lot of stuff and bow wow writes nothing should not even be on this list!!!!Its ridiculous and it is blasphomey! How the hell was bow wow on this list? smh
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May 14th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
info ready #27 I summed it up da best
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May 14th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Anybody who think Joe Budden is better than Mef is outta their minds. From 8 Diagrams to 4:21 Mef verses been classic and lets not talk about the 90’s. I bet I can find 10 verses Mef better than Joe’s Best Verse… Joe is a second tier rapper at best. sorta like a second wide receiver.
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May 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
how big is joe ego”??
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May 14th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Let’s be real. We can all agree that the Vibe’s list was very inaccurate. I do believe every man is entitled to his opinion. Joe Budden, just like every other rapper, is proud and confident in his ability. It sounds as though he is being ridiculed by others for being confident.
I believe that Joe would have no problem destroying most of the people on that list. Sorry but Meth is no exception. Redman, is bananas though. Meth has every right to be upset because as he said this is how he feeds his family. However, hip hip is competitive. It doesn’t have to be physical though. I recall a few years back when XXL magazine put Meth in the step you game up section, he went on a tirade about how hard it is to write rhymes and make an album. Fast forward 2009 and meth is mad at an artist for saying he is better than him among others. I respect the old school but I’m sorry, in 2009, Mellie Mel and all them old dudes aren’t the best rappers alive. I have a problem with that because the average new artist has the equivalent of three or four albums in mixtape material.
Lastly, I believe that Meth is a little scared of the competition because he is resorting to violence. His own people told him not to get involved with Joe Budden. Why? He is aware of Joe’s rhyme acumen. Joe made it clear that he is not talking about physically fighting meth. Yet meth never accepted that. Joe Budden said in his interview that rappers are too sensitive to lose and always want to fight when they do lose or feel they will lose. Do you really want me to believe that Meth is mad about a cut your head off in reference to rap battle comment when Wu was notorious for the wu tang swords and lyrical swords comments? Meth your better than that. Get a song and prove that your better than him if you believe that you are.
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May 14th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
really joe buddens who gives a fuck, only reason people even deal with you is because your bitch got a fatty other than that, who cares. you hating on meth because other dudes names was mention and you kept it moving, but you stood on method man and the spot he has. bitch ass nigga.
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May 14th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Are yall kiddin me..come on..plz someone name me some of method man’s song….joe budden said it best in ‘move on’……mention pump it up and imma think you sheep/ you must not know im deep”…this dude is one of the deepest emotional artists of our generation…his first album had ‘walk with me’,'calm down’, ‘10 mins’( a classic track btw)….seriously listen to his tracks like ‘Find A way’, his freestyle to ’sing for the moment’….yall on this ignorant talk about his ‘girl’..come on niccaz yall actin like he should have ‘a tight bitch’…you seen dwayne wade ex wife????…..come on give credit where credit is due….but i forgot as budden would say ‘when you dumb it down/ its just harder to understand”……..maybe he should rap about bricks and keys, and robberies..and then these ignorant niccaz will give him credit.
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May 14th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
http://www.vibe.com/bestrapperever/
That’s this years bracket. Last year was Best Rapper Alive.
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May 14th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Lol @ Meth’s lil stabs @ Funk Msster Flex. He clearly hasn’t forgotten Flex calling him over rated a few months ago with AllHIPHOP.
****Taken from interview transcript****
Flex: Now we’re approaching 2010. But for some reason the 90’s were like free agency in major league baseball, anybody could pop. I’ve been dying to speak about a rapper that’s been overrated…
AllHipHop.com: Who’s that?
Flex: Method Man is the most overrated rapper I’ve experienced in my career.
AllHipHop.com: Are you using the Wu solo albums as the main criteria for that opinion?
Flex: Oh hell yeah. Let’s list them.
AllHipHop.com: Liquid Swords, Return to the 36 Chambers, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx…
Flex: Stop there. Rae’s joint wasn’t the first Wu album, but Ghost and Rae were like Batman and Batman. There was no Robin! “Verbal Intercourse,” “Ice Cream,” “Glaciers of Ice,” damn. But Rae don’t like me no more.
AllHipHop.com: What happened?
Flex: Rae feels I didn’t support his career all the way through. I see him [and] we talk, and I feel like he wants to talk about it with me. Me and him were the tightest because we were on the same label and traveled a bit together.
It’s not that he didn’t have decent records but he didn’t have records on Cuban Linx’s level.
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May 14th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Joey is a sucker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0BddaAoKb8
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Drive $low Reply:
May 14th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
joey can’t even fuck with U-god
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0BddaAoKb8
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May 14th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
And further more…
Melle Mel contributed largely to the progression that led up to great lyricists like Joe Budden. Lyrically, there was basically nothing before people like Melle.Joe had a template, Melle didn’t. Does it take more skill to get to Joe Budden’s level as a rapper with all kinds of examples or to get to melle mel’s with none? and who told Joe that rhyming is just battling? what about the skill in taking complex thoughts and emotions and conveying them simply and strongly in a way that’s relatable (?)to wide groups of people from different walks of life? isn’t that great rapping? I like Joe but eh, he put his foot in his mouth on this one
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May 14th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
It’s lame when you say you dont like a rapper and their music people consider you a hater and they wanna get extra and wanna take it to a different leval it’s lame Buddens was right he stated how he felt and said lets take it to the booth Meth felt a certain way and wanted to shoot a fair one lol
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May 15th, 2009 at 1:42 am
this entire article is nonsense. No KRS, Nas is a #2 seed, and Andre is a #1? Thats like dividing by zero. utter nonsense.
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May 15th, 2009 at 3:08 am
I think hands down Joe wins this easy if they do Rap it out alot of you speaking for Method Man you are speaking for his name and what he has done in the past. Today as is with no money/album sales Joe is way higher rated then Method Man and Lyrically i really believe its only a hand full of rappers that are alive that can battle Joe and Win. Meth is not one, I dont take nothing away from Meth for what he has done but this is a line Meth should take at any point in his career and its sad that most of Joe good songs dont make it to the radio to be heard but when ad if he gets a big backing you all will hear what he’s really worth
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May 15th, 2009 at 3:09 am
I love Joey [II], but he is dead wrong. First, he would kill Mef in a battle. That’s not Mef’s lane. However, put them on a song together (like Mef said) and Joey will lose.
Joey isn’t exactly coming in first on them Slaughterhouse songs. His verse (good as they are) aren’t fucking with Royce, Joell, or Crook’s.
Joey must have forgot that Mef probably is the only person to outshine B.I.G. on a track “The What.” Joe forgot about “Shadowboxin,” “Wu-Gambinos,” “Big Dogs,” etc.
“Yolanda’s House”, “Paisley Darts” (Big Doe Rehab) or Mef’s verses on 8 Diagrams? Shit Mef’s verse on “New Wu” is better than anything Joey has put out in a min.
Fall back Joey. BO2>Padded Room
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May 15th, 2009 at 3:32 am
LOL Ed Lover shitted on Joe about Cowboy!
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May 15th, 2009 at 5:20 am
@#69. Mef did not outshine B.I.G in The What. Now, @ topic: Remember that video with mef looking like he was in a Flinstones live action movie or some sh!t? lol Both them niggaz washed now but Buddens girl got a donk. So Buddens wins this one.
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May 15th, 2009 at 6:38 am
Joe should have left the whole vibe thing alone. Their first bracket was horrible and so is this one. Method Man pointed out that Joe probably thinks Method Man doesn’t write his own rhymes b/c something back with def jam days is where this whole lack of respect for Meth’s lyrical skills comes from on Joe’s part. Other wise Joe would be really wildn out if he thinks Method Man is weak and taking into way too much hype in his own with his battles won and his slaughter house super group. Truth with all of that surrounding Joe is none of it is going to blow up. No1 cares for Joe Budden’s music so no1 really knows how lyrical he is, and that will follow through on slaughter house. the cult following behind each of those artist combined is the peak of that groups fan base. I don’t see them making any tracks thats gonna grab people in to wanna buy and listen like Wu-Tang or NWA or any big rap groups.
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May 15th, 2009 at 8:43 am
The Fact that Joe Budden put so much thought into a VIBE list indicates that kids mental issues, for real. If it was XXL or The Sauce, I’d understand but c’mon, Are people REALLY going to Vibe for their Hip Hop references?
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May 15th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Firstly im WU TANG FOREVER
Method Man is ill, a legend. but Tical Prequal was awful, 4.21 is a bit better. compare that to Joe’s Mood Music tho, it seems Joe has a better understanding of how the game is NOW
Dont know what people are on by saying Joe is a battle ready hungry mc, alot of the time he just sounds like every other rapper to me, BUT what i do know is that this is exactly how a battle should go down.
2 different styles battling. – Style Wars styleeeeeeee!!!
Wu Tang for life but Im gonna sit on the sidelines and enjoy a good battle. No need to pick sides i dont know these fools!!! May the better MC win!
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May 15th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Joe has always been a little bitch.
Meth is a legend. He should respect his elders.
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May 15th, 2009 at 9:59 am
THE VIBE LIST WAS RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!!!
What i do find funny tho is why people still look to these magazines for their good music when it feels (and looks!) like they fill it up with high paid promotions and products for labels just to satisfy their “contacts” and “networking” friends in order to do more business… business!!!! Are you looking for good music? or keeping upto date with the magazines business and current affairs?
So why do people get angry when a dumb magazine puts out a dumb article? it makes sense that it was going to be useless list when VIBE do it. i even think the Source would of been more on point (nowhere near it still!) No good magazines exist anymore since Hip Hop Connection died. (they put RAKIM #1!! and they did that list by asking 100 established artists out now both mainstream and underground)
By the way.. Where my graff writers at? B Boys? Turntablists? I know where the MC’s are!!!!!
Big ups Miss info!
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May 15th, 2009 at 10:17 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anCTdw2J3rc&feature=player_embedded
I see no drop-off in Meth’s skills.
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May 15th, 2009 at 11:58 am
We make Music for a living so to disrespect Meth like that is foul! Knock that fool Joe out! Straight Up! Any person trying to take food from our Family will get shot and that goes for the white boy Em too! The disrespect is going too far! We predict a few well known Rappers getting killed in the next few years and it will be a good thing for the youth to see that talking shit will get you hurt in real life! No one is fucking playing with you these days! Times are hard and aint shit funny! We could have just stayed on some Gang Banging shit if we knew that the Music Game was full of non sense! We are tying to stop shooting people, but bitches like Joe make it hard to change! You can put this on GD, 4CH, BPSN, and Vice Lord!
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May 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Yo there must be alot of young jersey cats in here since yall seriously think Joe is better then Meth. Here’s what it is…
Meth>Joe
Everyone else on Slaughter house>Joe
Jada>Joe
Fab>Joe
And that goes for a track for track battle or fight klub battle. I am praying that Meth drops a lyrical response(why not get The Black Out 2 some promo)
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May 15th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
i think EVERYONE (‘cept alot of people in here) is taking this dudes comments the wrong way.. he isnt saying his CAREER is better than Method Man and he isnt saying he is a better ARTIST he is saying that the 09 Method Man couldnt win in a rap battle with 09 Joe Budden…
http://iamcrumbs.com/2009/05/budden-vs-method/
thats what i think…
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May 15th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Put it this way…..
After that WEAK ASS diss GZA put out goin at 50 I ain’t tryin to hear no Wu dudes battle. Period. That shit was the worst rap diss EVER b.
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May 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
I HAVE AN IDEA….WHY NOT TURN SUMMER JAM INTO THE ROYAL RUMBLE OF HIPHOP….LETS GET EVERY RAPPER IN THAT LIST(MINUS THE DECEASED ONES…(RIP BIG PAC PUN L STACKS)AND LETS SETTLE THIS ISH FORREAL…TAKE VIBES BRACKET RANDOM DRAFT THE 1ST ROUND BATTLES AND LETS TAKE IT FROM THERE AND WE’LL FIND OUT ONES AND FOR ALL WHO REALLY IS THE BEST LYRICIST. I KNOW THAT’S A LONG SHOT…TOO MANY EGO’S IN ONE BUILDING WILL TURN INTO A REAL ROYAL RUMBLE LOL…BETTER YET WHY NOT SET DA STAGE UP FOR IN SUMMER JAM AND LET THEM SPIT 2 ROUNDS OF 32 AND LET GIANTS STADIUM DECIDE WHO’S BETTER
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May 15th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
@ #79 listen to the the blackout 2 and then listen to padded room and tell me Meth is a better lyricist than Joe Budden in 09.
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May 15th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
“Joe Buddens is down here at #32. Thats somewhere around the ass crack or the ball sack of Hip Hop”
LOL
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May 16th, 2009 at 4:31 am
Congratulation to Vibe for disproving Abraham Lincoln, when he said, “You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time.” If anyone, including Joe Budden believes that Vibe “complied” the greatest rapper alive ranking for any other reason beside creating controversy, that are sadly detached from the way things work. Vibe all by chance drops there greats rapper alive “article” with Eminem as the top seed, and Eminem just happens to the cover story of the month. Eminem also has an album coming out. I can’t believe how all that just happen to come together. I call BS on Vibe and on everyone feeding into this. Info, to ask your question both rappers are wrong for not being swift enough to sidestep such an evident use of diversion. Joe is an interesting guy, how was he wise of enough to see through the whole Ransom ploy, but fall right into this trap?
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May 16th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Joe can say what he want about anyone on a lyrical hip hop level…why is meth gettn mad and taking it sooo personal? Isn’t this wat hip hop is about? I would think meth would know that…maybe meth has been brain washed by all this foolery currently in hip hop….if meth is intimidated on the low why don’t u just make a crazy hot song and silence him and other on that tip? Meth don’t have to go at joe to shut him up…or he can put some shit out directly attackin joe and begin the lyrical war…have fun guys cool out…stop actin like a bitch meth…by the way I love meth as an artist, joe is a beast, but I gotta give to joe at the end right now in this day and time
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May 16th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Somebody ask joe buddens or anybody to battle ICADON .
4 THOSE WHO DONT KNOW ICADON IS REDMANS PROTEGE
PEOPLE KNOWS WHO ICADON IS AND NOONE WANTS TO ASK JOEY OR MR ED LOVER ?
WHATS GOOD WITH THIS GAME?
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May 16th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Somebody ask joe buddens or anybody to battle ICADON .
4 THOSE WHO DONT KNOW ICADON IS REDMANS PROTEGE
PEOPLE KNOWS WHO ICADON IS AND NOONE WANTS TO ASK JOEY OR MR ED LOVER ?
WHATS GOOD WITH THIS GAME?
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May 17th, 2009 at 3:29 am
If Joey couldnt put up with Charles Hamilton in a live radio freestyle…..what makes anyone think he can go off the top with m.e.t.h.o.d. man????????
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May 18th, 2009 at 1:08 am
Everytime we see or hear of this nigga it’s because of some beef or some verse that could be taken as a dis. This nigga been in the studio for…ever…and Padded Room didn’t make no noise. He’s only mentioned in blogs because his girl is exposing her ass in his video blogs/magazines or because heads are asking “what did he mean by this rhyme? is he dissing Juelz? or is he dissing Saigon?” Other than that he will not be remembered. He’s basically taking a page out of 50’s book on how to remain relevant. Meth and Wu changed the game when they came out. Meth’s flow and cadence was different than anything we had heard before and for that they will be remembered for changing the game. This nigga Budden takes himself to gotdaam seriously and he will be remembered as the Pump It up guy…and for that they won’t ever remember his name…just that it was B2K’s gay ass anthem.
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May 18th, 2009 at 2:31 am
LOOK MOUSEBUDDEN! IN THE END WHEN ALL IZ SAID N’ DONE U HAVEN’T “PUMP! PUMP! PUMP! PUMPED UP” ENOUGH CLASSICZ.FUCK RECORD SALEZ OR EVEN PLAQUEZ LET’S TALK ABOUT THE HIP=HOP HALL OF FAME N’ HOW IF U DON’T STOP SHITING ON PEOPLE WHO PAVED THE WAY 4 U, U WILL NEVER BE THERE. TAKE SUM ADVICE FROM THE REST OF “SLAUGHTER HOUSE” N’ HUMBLE URSELF, CAUSE REAL TALK LYRICALLY U R THE WEAKEST LINK IN THE KREW. DA TRUTH HURTZ I KNOW……BUT HEY UR GOOD ENOUGH, SMART ENOUGH, AND GOSH DARN IT…PEOPLE LIKE U!
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May 18th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Joe Budden is always talking about his bars like it makes him better than other rappers… HE DOESN’T EVEN HAVE BARS! Man, just cus you think ur a good battle rapper doesn’t make you one lol, nobody likes this fool! VIBE magazine was bein gracious by rankin him that high in the first place, I’ve been trying to discuss this beef with my friends and none of them have heard of Joe Budden. If they have they thought he was retired. At least people know Saigon was in Entourage… For the sake of discussion, when was the last time Joe Budden won a battle anyways? As far back as I can remember he just keeps getting owned by everyone he starts shit with and then starts acting like it wasn’t no beef in the first place. My favorite Joe Budden bashing was “Buddens” by The Game. watch it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtJSaKthUvI
“You had pump it up, that was a cool song/ you only sold 10 records, nigga now move on/ talkin bout you got rachets and tools on, when you was at the all star game with no jewels on”
“I went to Jersey and asked niggaz in the hood if they was feelin ya shit and they was like “NO!”
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May 18th, 2009 at 9:06 am
I think joe budden needs to take his head out this ass, besides his songs being boring, and in no way legendary.Rappers like Method man made songs and albums that shaped the game.joe budden has no songs which did that,even ‘pump it up’ was a spin off of ‘whats the senario’ remix, and ‘fire’ was only big coz of busta, so he should be glad he’s even mentioned at all.most of those rappers listed have made songs that have changed the game in some way.JOE BUDDEN DID NOT DO THAT.
P.S WHERES BUSTA RHYMES?!
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May 18th, 2009 at 9:11 am
melle mel hit nail right on the head, especially with the diagram part!! lol
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May 18th, 2009 at 9:19 am
red and meth, would murda joel and budden,NO CONTEST.Joel sounds like he should be harvesting some wheat some where on old mcdonalds farm, and joe budden looks like he needs a bath, and a skin peel.
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May 18th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
yo check this out right meth is what goodie for the 90 ees that we now but can u cook like a ryme pie like joe buddens who knows but can u eat or dig a superfical cat like me little smalls just playing hall but can u figure i free nigga spit like meth or a commercalie liies nursery rymes cat like biznutenens nut his wife up that what i need i hot ass black chic i am white so i make love not wck chat i myself me and meself cats and dogs will teflon my way through anything mef keep the smoke visions clear pookie and buttons keep the happy cats buzzin like meth get it poppin i said to much dennis is love pink pussy is to 1 love
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May 19th, 2009 at 4:57 am
“Joe Buddens is down here at #32. That’s somewhere around the ass crack or the ball sack of Hip Hop”
-Melle Mel
LOL
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May 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
This is similar to the Canibus/LL beef. One spits lyrics for days, the other is an artist w/ a legendary first half of a career, and a less than spectacular second half. As gifted a lyricist as he (and Canibus) are, Joe needs to understand that people cheer for the underdog when they hate the favorite. And really, even if they haven’t blown-you away lyrically for what seems like forever, who has any true negativity towards Meth (and LL). This is an issue Joe cannot win. Has recent statement was his best move.
P.S. Meth needs to realize that a married(?) man w/ ids does not need to confront a lyricall challenge with a physical one. If you think he can’t see you on wax, make a record and eat his face. PUT-UP or SHUT-UP!!!!
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May 20th, 2009 at 2:00 am
OMG, yo this dude Joe “Dummy” Budden, is buggin, what the hell is this guy smoking over there in Jersey? Why is this guy thinking he is the best rapper alive now? This guys really is retarded, I honestly feel he needs to go show his big booty chick in a video because she is a lot more interesting then his wack ass pump it pump it up corny Jersey ass, keep the trash over there in Jersey. Budden is corny……
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May 20th, 2009 at 3:33 am
im so tired of this shit, disrespectful is disrespecting your family or your manhood, me saying that im better than you is not disrespectful, its opinion.
1: a story about mythical or supernatural beings or events=legend
aint no damn legends in rap, all emcees lived/are alive real life people, achilles was a damn legend, not meth , not red, not budden, not rakim, no one. there is no such thing as oh he is a legend so i cant say that im better than him. how is this any different from any emcee saying they are the goat and both big and pac are dead? ll said it, jay z said it, lil wayne said it, so are they disrespecting meth/big/pac?
niggas need to get over themselves, there are no legends, grow up, pick the mic up and get at budden. meth? red? anyone who disagrees? if you arent going to spit, you do nothing but prove him correct in his opinion.
im not saying he is right, i have my own opinions about the entire situation but i do respect he made a totally arguable statement and unlike many in rap, stood behind it. he didnt blame the media or a reporter taking him out of context, he said that he would lyrically get at meth. one way or the other, it is easily provable
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May 20th, 2009 at 3:44 am
joe will never sale as much as what meth has. its impossible in todays industry, when joe made the bs that people want to hear (pump it up/fire) he sold more than gold and a lot of people hate on him for that. when he spits hot fire, the masses dont listen, he spits truth drug addiction/depression/baby mama drama/shit that requires you to think and to really listen. todays buyers dont listen, they lean and rock and stanky leg. when meth was selling all his albums big and pac and nas and jay and we were big, you had to listen. now you have souljah boy, jim jones, stanky leg dudes selling albums. joe can hold his own, maybe not win all but hold his own with any emcee alive. aside from tical what album of meths was hot, the first wu album was a group joint. the wu albums after the first, not that hot
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May 21st, 2009 at 11:43 am
i pull the skirt off this nigga / the ball sack of hiphop
the balls on this nigga /2 albums flip flopped
mouse admit it B/getting at cheese
must be wire(d) / take the meth out ur mouth
you wont get higher
you are a bitch a phony a fake with no classics
a snake you raped and never paid the klassiks
ill go straight to the point with my facts and figures
u put meth in ur mouth to fuck wendy williams
if I jacked joe today/ no ransom
no sai (no grief that hes ) gon (e)
studied the game
but fucked up and failed rap 101
who the fuck is cowboy ??
muthafucka u lost …
you shit is not fluid
speak english not foolish
like craig david do u really think u born to do this ??
A rapper turned blogger?
i see what u doing
on google and youtube trynna make partner
better yet be a guru on xtube with ur partner … GAAATTT
homie listen /u not that hot
u not the one /u not number 2 ..the shit u not
If u got a problem holla at me
at least now u got stories come album 3
And when that shit bricks
Move to mood music 4 ,
And if still don’t get love ..fine
Bitch about it on beef 5
Screen when black after that
musta smoked six 7-inch blunts
blazed on floor before that
open season its on
u looking like lunch
wanna go line for line ?
bar for bar ?
Or S.W.A.G for unmitigated G.A.W.S ?
G.A.W.S ? YEP !!!thats galls in a southern drawl
Cant believe the guts ofsome bitch ass niggas
flipped the swag
front to back
cause u the ass crack of rap …
i love ms info
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May 27th, 2009 at 12:22 am
YALL ARE IDIOTS. EVERYONE KNOWS METHOD MAN IS A FUCKING LEGEND AND PUT IT WORK FOR A LONG ASS TIME…BUT SERIOUSLY…SERIOUSLY..HE ISNT A BATTLE RAPPER..IN 2009 RIGHT NOW LYRIC FOR LYRIC JOE BUDDENS IS ON TOP..IF IT WAS 1990′S BUDDENS WOULDNT EVEN HAVE MADE IT TO THE FUCKIN RADIO TALKIN THAT SHIT…BUT AGAIN WE IN 2009 NOT THE 1990′S…THATS LIKE MIKE TYSON OR MOHAMMED ALI SAYING THAT THEY THE BEST BOXERS ALIVE IN 2009..EVERYONE KNOWS THEY LEGENDS OF THEIR TIME BUT NOT IN 2009
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August 1st, 2009 at 7:13 am
Fact Of The Matter Is That Method Man Has More Years In The Game & More Credibility. He’s Known & Respected. Joe Budden Has Been In The Game For Like 6 Years If We Take His Career From His 1st Album. He’s Been Shelved & Slept On But Truth Be Told, Budden Is A Fuccin Beast. I Got Respect For Mef But He Ain’t Fuccin With Mouse Lyrically. Mef Is Good But Was Never Among The Best. It’s Like What Has Method Man Done, Thats So Legendary Aside From “You’re All I Need”? After That Its All Trynna Be Funny. Support That Real Shit Man, Joe Budden, Mood Muzik 1,2 & 3, Halfway House, Padded Room!
Joe Budden > Method Man
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