Wed 4 Aug 2010
Bun B on his Source 5-Mic rating: “I receive my accolades with honor, and hold my head high when the hate rains down…”
Posted by Miss Info under Hmmm? , New Music , Quotes[61] Comments
(Lol, Bun keeps his manicure hood-rich)
Earlier today, Bun B’s Trill OG album was given a 5-Microphone rating from The Source Magazine. Heated debate ensued. Which is interesting because I don’t remember the same uproar when Lil Kim got 5-mics for an album, which you probably can’t name a song off of. (The album was called Naked Truth. Ring a bell? Nah, right?) Anyways, I don’t pretend that the magazine or the mic-ing system holds the same weight as it did back in the days when a career could be launched off of it. But I’d also would never deny the writer of that review the right to make his/her decision, which hopefully is free from any political influence (which was probably not the case with Lil Kim. I mean if anything in her cannon was a classic, Hardcore at least had the longevity of that term). Having just started listening to Trill OG, I don’t know that I would give it 5-mics over some of the UGK (group) and Bun B (solo) work that missed the internet-citizen-loudspeaker era we’re in now. But don’t act like The Departed was Marty Scorsese’s best work either.
Bun accepted the Source’s rating and acknowledged the debate it sparked in a personal letter….
When I started rapping, the highest honor a real MC could aspire to was the coveted 5 mics from Source Magazine. It was only given to the best of the best in hip hop, the cream of the crop so to speak. Those that received the honor were sometimes but not always contested, but what WAS always contested were those that DIDN’t receive the honor. If you’ve ever argued about your favorite MC on a corner, in a barbershop or on the comment section of a blog, then you know what I’m talking about….
(read the rest of his letter, after the jump)
…For every album labeled a classic, there are dozens of others that people feel deserve the honor. So I realize that people now feel they have to place my album next to others that they feel were more impactful, and argue their case. With social networking being as prevalent as it is in our society, these arguments now take place in a very public arena, which in order to be heard, you often have to be very opinionated and abrasive to stand out. So people, while having no personal hate or malice towards me, will make very loud arguments about The Source’s decision, and the loudest ones will probably get the most attention. Having been in the music industry almost 20 years, I have learned to receive my accolades with honor and respect, and hold my head high when the hate rains down. I love hip hop just as much or even more than the next person, so I understand the passion behind the argument. At the end of the day, we all want this thing we love to be as real and pure as the day we fell in love with it. Having said all this, it is with great honor and admiration that I humbly accept this esteemed declaration from the Source Magazine and it’s staff for my album Trill OG, and for those that feel they need to shit on me to argue for another artist or album, don’t worry. The Trill OG can take it! UGK for life!
Bun B
August 4th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
…and you know Bun wrote this himself vs having it prepared for him. He’s a class act to the highest power.
I’m still listening to Trill OG but even when I’m done I’ll keep my views to my own inner circles. The internet is too loud for me when it comes to topics like this.
Nice reference to Lil Kim’s 5 mic album. I always felt that was more about the hope that she would return to classic form vs that album actually being that good.
August 4th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Perfect. Common sense is a rare commodity.
August 4th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Come on, anyone care about the mics anymore?
That shit stopped mattering when Zino was giving Made Men 4 1/2 ratings and not giving the MMLP the classic rating it deserved.
I dont think GRODT got it either?
I dam sure dont think this bun b album is anything close to a classic.
but its not like the mics mean much anyway these days.
August 4th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
Earning a five-mic rating still means something, even during these times. Moreover, Bun B’s been holding it down with Pimp C (R.I.P.) since the days of “Too Hard to Swallow”, so it’s not like he hasn’t been putting in the work get such a high honor.
Congratulations, sir. You already know it was well-deserved.
August 4th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
GRODT def deserved 5 mics….then again, Fif has made a point of acting like he’s anti-establishment and anti-awards.
August 4th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Bun B is one of Hip Hop’s most respected elder statesmen and while it’d be awesome to see him getting some of the recognition he deserves having had such a long & storied career, Trill O.G. isn’t a classic album. At least not the way I consider an album a classic.
To be perfectly honest, I don’t even feel it’s as good as his first solo album, Trill.
August 4th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
this is dope. very dope. we should be thanking our stars that rap mags still exist instead of trying to undermine them.
by the way, did you guys know theres a movie called Step Up 3D coming out on august 6th? Info sure does
August 4th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
But I think Fif wanted to have awards and recognition. He only said that because a lot of people shut him out of those awards, when he did deserve them back in the day. He only used being anti-awards and talking about his record sales to deflect the negativity that comes with not winning awards
August 4th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
hahahaa……look, you watch Cam’ron and some big booty chicks, that makes you want to go see a 3-D dancing movie. Its mathematical.
August 4th, 2010 at 8:43 pm
well at least you’re coming with an honest and informed opinion.
August 4th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
The mics aren’t as precious as when Minya was doin it. GRODT shoulda got it.
Also – Bun was featured on The Naked Truth.
August 4th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
LOL! omg…really? Bun was on there? how “ironical” LOL.
and thank you VA Slim for the support : )
August 4th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
The last true 5 mic album was Scarface’s The fix. This Bun B album reminds me of that album alot only for the fact that Face puts more heart into his music. Something he is second only to 2Pac for doing.
Really it’s a great album and YES it’s Bun B’s best but it’s way too early to say 5 mic’s.
Plus 50 Cent’s GRODT should have got 1, plus Eminem’s The Marshall Mathers Lp and maybe Kanyes’s Late Registration. There’s alot of 4.5 mic albums over the years like
Jay-Z’s American gangster and Black Album
Game’s The Documentary
Rick Ross’ Deeper Than Rap
Common’s Be
Freeway’s Free At Last
Raekwon’s OB4CL 2
Little Brother’s The Minstrel Show
Lupe Fiasco’s Food & Liquor
Nas’ Untitled (Nigger)
Styles P’s A Gangster and A Gentleman
T.I’s Paper Trail
No, there is no dipset or ANY cash money albums to really earn 4.5 mics. Maybe Cam’s Come Home With Me but the Carter 4 is bearly a 4 mic album….bearly. I might have missed a couple so if anyone feels i have please add more.
Oh and ask urself seriously….do you know anyone who Owns & Listens to Lil Kim’s The Naked Truth…..When that album got 5 mics, that was officially the day that “The Source” magazine died and XXL won the war.
Peace.
What Up Info!!!!!
August 4th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
“Speaking In Tungs 3D”, THAT i would flock to the box office for
August 5th, 2010 at 12:04 am
herro : )
i think the mag died long before that. Specifically when benzino started meddlng with editorial.
August 5th, 2010 at 12:14 am
@ missinfo GRODT did not deserve no 5 mics at all. as a matter of fact i feel it was a step back from his first 2 mix tapes. and by the way what is it with u and The Departed ? IT WAS A GOOD MOVIE !!! it may not have been good fellas or casino , but it was most def a good film…stop it already !
August 5th, 2010 at 12:38 am
Rick Ross and a TI album deserving five mics??? Wow, the standards for classics have reached a new low.
As far as Bun B getting five, it is well deserved. People forget every album that has gotten five Mic’s in The Source was scrutinized. Even IIlmatic. Anyway, Bun B’s prob the best MC in the game and makes gimmick free hiphop. Loved the mixtape.
Great Scorsese line Info. We all know Raging Bull was his best film.
August 5th, 2010 at 12:41 am
Raging Bull….5 mics. Good Fellas….5 mics.
August 5th, 2010 at 2:36 am
Get Rich Or Die Trying is a 4.5 mic album at best. Honestly, if Mobb Deep’s Infamous is 4.5, then GRODT is 4. both are really dope albums, though.
I was just talking about GRODT with some older cats at the barbershop who can’t listen to new garbage hip hop. And though they’re from “the era that mattered”, they still recognize that 50’s album was a burner.
and get outta here with Eminem’s album. definitely not a 5 mic album.
The whole issue of mics is irrelevant in today’s pop-hop. Might as well say Bun B got 5 Kangol hats. Emceeing is just not a standard for rap anymore, so why even have mic ratings?
August 5th, 2010 at 3:44 am
I will go with Info on this, 5 mics for GRODT
I can forgive the little kim 5 mics because at the time it came out, it really felt like a real good album, atleast, 4 an half mics…unfortunately it just didnt have the staying power that Hardcore has, but thats not really to do with the music itself, its just timing and the change in the musical climate.
Oh and Departed is not Scorsese´s best work…….Its Andy Lau and Alan Mak´s best work………leave it to an American to completely rip off other peoples work
August 5th, 2010 at 3:48 am
5 mics for that album ur fuckin kiddin me
thats why ppl dont fuck with the source anymore they do things just to get ppl to buy more mags that is in no way a 5 mic album its solid but 5 mics pffff fuck outta here
August 5th, 2010 at 4:48 am
I have not heard Trill OG so I will reserve judgement. But all this uproar over the review is retarded.
The same cats who treat the mic system as sacred are the same ones on the next blog calling The Source toilet paper. And let’s be real, with all the Soulja Boy Tell ‘Em, Waka Flocka, Lil’ B, and the ilk getting slid across their desk for reviews they could probably get a new disc from Master P. at this point and give it the 5 Mic Salute. This might have just been used to kickstart the music.
The Naked Truth’s rating was by and far a joke though, I think she was fucking Dave Mays at that point too. Hardcore and La Bella Mafia were better efforts.
August 5th, 2010 at 4:55 am
Naked truth was a dope album. a very well produced album, and im not talking beats.
im not going to hate, congrats to bun b, it aint my thing at all. i perfer the shit he did with statik selektah than this whole album. but thats me.
August 5th, 2010 at 5:49 am
The Naked Truth was actually a really good album though.
Maybe not 5 mic worthy but at least as good as Trill O.G..
August 5th, 2010 at 5:51 am
This argument can go on all day, but in the end I will state this…….even though the Source has been slighted recently, at the end of the day its still a five mic album. Obviously it cannot be renigged. (Damn if it could “The Naked Truth” would just be a mere memory) Granted the Source has forgotten about a few true classics such as ………………..
“Speakerboxx/The Love Below”-Outkast
“Untitled”-Nas
“The Documentary”-The Game (yes, I went there)
“400 Degreez”-Juvenile
“The Marshall Mathers LP”-Eminem
“Supreme Clientele”-Ghostface Killah
“Return Of The Boom Bap”-KRS One
“Mecca & The Soul Brother”-Pete Rock & CL Smooth
“Midnight Marauders”-ATCQ
“Capital Punishment”-Big Pun
“Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous”-Big L
I can go on some more but the Source did not mess up on this one. Bun was long overdue to release a classic and came hard as hell on this album. Now thats too hard to swallow. (peep the reference)
PS- The Departed 4.5 mics
August 5th, 2010 at 6:09 am
Where the fuck is Moment of Truth by GANG STARR !!¨!??? 5 mics for shure!!!
August 5th, 2010 at 7:18 am
The Departed is The Mad Men of the big screen…Good but simply overrated…
Scorsese is incredible though, the director’s director.
August 5th, 2010 at 8:26 am
we cant really measure today’s music by that old system anyway. it’s been bastardized and drowned out by clone rating systems a million times over. blogs, review sites, individual opinions, magazines…there are far too many…
in order to ever get the prestige back from a perfect rating, we need a fresh new system everyone can trust.
i have the album and enjoy it…im not sure how many mics it deserves…havent read the source since the early 90’s. props to bun b for another great album
August 5th, 2010 at 8:31 am
LUV BUN BUT THE SOURCE BE GIVING MICS AWAY THEY HAVE NOW FOR A LONG TIME THERE HASN’T BEEN A CLASSIC HIPHOP LP IN A MINUTE AND I DONT SEE HOW BUN’S LP IS SOOOO INCREDIBLE THAT IT HAD TO BREAK THE MOLD THIS IS B.S. BUT HONESTLY FUK MAGAZINE RATINGS THEY DONT COUNT FOR SHIT….
August 5th, 2010 at 8:34 am
THANK YOU AGREE 100%
August 5th, 2010 at 9:17 am
if its not coming from matty c, riggs, or miss info, its not certified…salute to bun either way, he is a true mc
August 5th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Sure, the Source should have given the 5 mics rating to Fiddy and a few others that they overlooked. The may have even given it away to undeserving artists, word to Lil Kim. But Bun B is not undeserving. This will be a classic in years to come, if based off of the UGK and Tupac collab alone (which wasn’t as good as expected but it’s almost like you have to like it…”new” Pac and Pimp C? Yet, gotta love it.
Classic…at least in the South and especially for us Texas niggas.
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August 5th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
I just wish that these reviews were revisited. Many of the albums listed above were classic, but albums sometimes grow on you and get better the more you bang em and get the true feelin of. Its art after all, and feelings on or about art do change and evolve with times. Whether or not bun b’s album deserved five mics, its an opinion, and one mans opinion at that. Get the fuck over it. You can’t say the man is not a talented hip hop legend. Texas stand up!
August 5th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Yeah ok.
GRODT was one of the best albums, that album was def a classic.
Every single song on that album was dope, and it wasnt no little 11 track album, like aint Kanyes albums like 12 tracks? The Clipse album was like 11 or 12 tracks, why? Cause less tracks makes it easier to get a good rating, GRODT had 19 songs, 19 songs and every one of them were dope.
The beats were top notch, the hooks were crazy, the features perfect, the flows were great, all around that was def a classic album without question.
Forget the buzz, the two number 1 singles, the 800k plus first week sales, then the 800k plus second week sales, the weeks it spent at number 1 on the charts and the 11 mill it sold worldwide, forget all that, the music on that album was classic, it was a 5 mic album without question.
MMLP and Em SHow both were 5 mic albums also. I know most say MMLP was his classic but listen to Em show, the beats were great, he had songs with meaning, WHite America, Cleaning out my CLoset, not to mention bangers like Solider, Till I Collapse, When the music stops, that album I think was Ems most complete album, lyrically, production etc.
Anyway the point is the mics dont mean much anymore.
August 5th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
The thing that made it a joke to me was La Bella Mafia, the album right before Naked Truth, got 4 1/2 and it was a better album.
August 5th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
I never said T.I. or Rick Ross should have gotten 5 mics….i said 4.5 mics….
But if Lil Kim is getting 5 mics for her worst album….Jeeezzzzz!!!
Bun B is a good mc but don’t be silly i can name ten mc now that are better, but UGK For Life!!!!
August 5th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
True classics like It was written- Nas was overlooked but this gets 5 mics?! Dont understand the co sign from Miss Info as she wrote THE ultimate review for Illmatic. SMH Bun deserves props but this shit? No
August 5th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Lmfao @ miss info… You hatin on kim to? I heard the album, lighters up hit #1 and held for A min. And I still aint hear this nigga single, before u posted this I haven’t heard shit about this nigga so wat are u talkin about? Lol, not to mention he was on kims last album…
Congrats tho
August 5th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Lmfao @ miss info… You hatin on kim to? I heard the album, lighters up hit #1 and held for A min. And I still aint hear this nigga single, before u posted this I haven’t heard shit about this nigga so wat are u talkin about? Lol, not to mention he was on kims last album…
Congrats tho
August 5th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
4.5 mics for what album? And as far as 10 MC’s being better than Bun, I kinda doubt it. But its your opinion, and UGK def for life.
August 5th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
First of all, there was a HUGE uproar when Kim got the 5 mics. HUGE. It was seen as a reactionary, desperation move for New York to seem relevant in 2005’s Hip-Hop soundscape and was viewed by many to be the final straw for the magazine.
Also, as a longtime UGK/Bun-B fan, while I consider this album to be his least outing in any incarnation, I’m ecstatic that he’s at least getting the accolades he so rightly deserves. Remember, the Source gave ‘Supertight’ only 2 1/2 mics. Funny how things come full circle.
August 5th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Yeah it was dying from maybe 2001 or 02 but it caught a flatline on that issue.
August 5th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Ten Mc’s Better than Bun B (But i love Bun still)
Eminem
Jay-Z
Nas
Scarface
Jadakiss
Beanie Sigel
Reakwon
Common
50 Cent
Fabolous
Styles P
I added another one just for fun…and if u don’t agree, ur F**king Lying.
Still UGK FO LIFE!!!!!
Oh!!! But Go cop dat “Trill O.G.”
Bun B is still a top tier MC, and can hold his own with ANY rapper.
August 5th, 2010 at 8:43 pm
……………PAUSE…………
“Super Tight” only got 2.5 mics? Man the Source was on some bull with that one. 4 mics to that album
August 5th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
How could you have not heard of Bun B? You been under a rock the last 20 years? Have you not heard “Big Pimpin'”? Or “Sippin’ On Syrup”? Which were major hits in the radio and the streets?
August 5th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
never one to comment, but CAPITAL Punishment(and no i’m not boriqua). You fools fail to recognize the level of lyricism and classic appeal of that album.
I challenge you to pound for pound, song for song weight an album against it. Enough said, geeks.
August 5th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
*canon, not like the gun
August 5th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Damn, people are on point sighting these missed classics! I forgot all about “Moment of Truth” and “Supreme Clientele” deserving that mark. It’s good to see that people who really give a fuck about “all” of Hip Hop have a voice through the internet.
Thanks to Info and the Source for sparking this conversation!
August 6th, 2010 at 1:54 am
Which is interesting because I don’t remember the same uproar when Lil Kim got 5-mics for an album, which you probably can’t name a song off of. (The album was called Naked Truth. Ring a bell? Nah, right?) Naked Truth deserved those 5-Mics. That CD was pure hip-hop, and had the beats, lyrics, and content to back it up. GRODT? 4.5.
August 6th, 2010 at 8:45 am
Let me see! His boy Pimp C dead mysteriously, he all of sudden is all over the place musically, then in almost every photo he’s either throwing up the baphomet (satan hand sign) sign or wearing a shirt with Illuminati symbol on it. Hmmmmm just saying.
August 6th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
What? The last hip hop classic was Hell Hath No Fury.
August 6th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
@Datruth big homey that sign your referring to in Texas is called chunking up the Duece. They also do it at Texas longhorn games. And Bun B has been all over the place musically for years now, even before Pimp C passed man. Just facts man.
August 6th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Xxl gave hell hath no fury a classic rating, not the source. Which goes to show even though the source doesn’t carry weight like it used too. When it comes to rating CDs and mics and all that, they’re the only magazine that people care about. Even that wasn’t the case you wouldn’t have a hundred other websites with this same blog saying that this album should or shouldn’t have gotten the rating that it did.
August 8th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
So what’d XXL give Trill.O.G.
I know they went back and said 2001, MMLP and GRODT all deserved XXL ratings.
The Source lost when they didn’t give 2001 5 mics
August 8th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
XXL gave it a XL.
August 9th, 2010 at 1:00 am
This album is definitely 5 Mic material. Why so?
*Its originality is superior and it has everything you can ask for in a true Hip Hop album. Hes always been a great story teller. The creativity is great and it entertains in so many ways, from gangsta rap, money talk, real MC tracks like the Premo joint, club bangers, drug raps and even a classic Texas Slab joint, Bun B Does it all.
*Bun’s flow, clever word play and lyricism are at the highest peak in his entire career. Think about it, the style of his flows are so versatile he has a different rhythm in damn near every track. There’s not one bad verse in this entire album.
*His Lyricism is better and harder than ever, the complexity of his rhymes are at an all time high. Some incredible examples: Trillionaire, Snow money, Let ’em know, Just Like That and Gladiator come to mind immediately.
*The production is perfect. Most rap albums are full of unoriginal production with nothing but samples and stolen beats. There is not ONE sampled beat in this entire album, all the music is original production that each producer has personally composed.
Bun B has now proven that he is a legend, hes withstood the test of time and lasted longer than most of these other rappers. He earned his respect in the game. He keeps it real and spits nothing but the truth. He doesnt care about soundscans, hes doing it for hip hop and the entire south. This album deserves a 5 mic rating.
Sure its not on the same level as other 5 mic classics such as iLLmatic, 36 Chambers, All Eyez On Me, The Blueprint, Doggystyle, The Chronic, Ready To Die or even the Fix. But look at what hip hop music is today. This album stands out above most of todays rap. Bun B deserves it.
August 17th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Bun B has been putting down hit after hit for the past 18 years that I have been listening to him even when Pimp “C” (God rest his soul) was alive! If most of you just put your bias aside and stop thinking that East Coast has the only hip hop rappers and listen to the album with no bias you will realize the album is ON FIRE!!!!
August 17th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
@Eric exactly. Nuff said homey.
August 18th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Bun is you ever read this Dawg….You are looking at one of your GLADIATORS that represent all over the world from Belgium, Portugal, and San Antonio to Virginia and will represent 4-Life!!! Trill 4 Ever!!! Awready!!! I still remember UGK Banned (Pregnant @#$%^) AWREADY!!! South Park, Houston!
September 10th, 2010 at 3:52 am
Alot of people are really hating on the Source’s rating system…its a magazine, which means obviously a review will be an opinion…for you guys to give back such hate for one opinion is kinda stupid in my opinion…i mean if you don’t like it you could go get a copy of XXL magazine, which gives XL ratings to EVERYTHING…
I just don’t understand why people get mad that people give albums classic ratings, but yet when you ask them what a classic rating should consist of, they have no idea…in all honesty, if a classic rathing had a set criteria, half of the 5-mics and XXLs wouldn’t be around. GRODT is wayyy different than the Blueprint, as it’s way different than Scarface’s the Fix…
In all honesty I’m not that big a fan of Bun B, but I can respect his music to know that it is legendary…more power to him..it was a classy move writing that letter.
January 21st, 2011 at 11:10 am
Bun-b trill og is an enterataining album but not great, it is good. I think Common be and lupe fiasco food and liquor were about as close 2 5 mics in recent years I have seen